Vitaly and steroids

[Own3d]

Originally Posted by DTMB

no its not common sense you ignorant fvcking baboon.

go blow a gasket somewhere else. Athletes already take peds allowed by their respective governing bodies but you're over here screaming like bodies are dropping left and right.

fvcking nincompoop.

Getting hit more and with faster and harder punches doesn't increase the risk to the fighter taking them................... LOL i can't believe anyone can be so ****ing stupid.

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by DTMB

no its not common sense you ignorant fvcking baboon.

go blow a gasket somewhere else. Athletes already take peds allowed by their respective governing bodies but you're over here screaming like bodies are dropping left and right.

fvcking nincompoop.

Simple question....why aren't PED's legalized all the way around than?

[DTMB]

Originally Posted by Own3d

Getting hit more and with faster and harder punches doesn't increase the risk to the fighter taking them................... LOL i can't believe anyone can be so ****ing stupid.

We are in the steroid era of boxing right?

who has died in the ring because his opponent used peds?

STFU now you undeveloped pond scum. Go scream and practice tourette syndrome somewhere else.

Originally Posted by JAB5239

Simple question....why aren't PED's legalized all the way around than?

same way why alcohol was illegal at one point in this country and why marijuana and prostitution is illegal.

ignorance and politics and people like owned3d still existing in this world.

[Own3d]

Originally Posted by DTMB

We are in the steroid era of boxing right?

who has died in the ring because his opponent used peds?

STFU now you undeveloped pond scum. Go scream and practice tourette syndrome somewhere else.



same way why alcohol was illegal at one point in this country and why marijuana and prostitution is illegal.

ignorance and politics.

Oh so if they don't die it doesn't damage them? Do you need a list of the fighters that can't talk properly etc because of the damage they have took from years of fighting? Every blow does damage however small just because you don't see it right away doesn't mean it's not there. Taking more, faster and harder punches from cheats is going to do more damage than they would if the fighter didn't cheat.

You've got to be trolling...... nobody can be as dumb as you.

[DTMB]

Originally Posted by Own3d

Oh so if they don't die it doesn't damage them? Do you need a list of the fighters that can't talk properly etc because of the damage they have took from years of fighting? Every blow does damage however small just because you don't see it right away doesn't mean it's not there. Taking more, faster and harder punches from cheats is going to do more damage than they would if the fighter didn't cheat.

You've got to be trolling...... nobody can be as dumb as you.

There will always be a list of fighters that cant talk properly ped or no peds.

MEMO TO YOU MORON: ITS BOXING. THEY GET HIT FOR A LIVING. There will be damage with or without peds. What peds where Ali's opponents taking back then?

Using peds has been part of sports since it went commercial.

Primatene: performance enhancer.
Baking Soda: performance enhancer.
Creatine: performance enhancer.
Caffeine: performance enhancer.
Cocaine: performance enhancer.
Vicodin: performance enhancer.
Tylenol with Codeine: performance enhancer.
Aspirin: performance enhancer.

Every time an athlete gets a pain shot or an anti-inflammatory shot before taking the field, that's an example of using performance enhancing drugs.

Peds help athletes. Its not just about being stronger or faster. It heals athletes. IT PROTECTS ATHLETES.

Learn to use your brain for once and think for yourself.

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by DTMB

There will always be a list of fighters that cant talk properly ped or no peds.

MEMO TO YOU MORON: ITS BOXING. THEY GET HIT FOR A LIVING. There will be damage with or without peds. What peds where Ali's opponents taking back then?

Using peds has been part of sports since it went commercial.

Primatene: performance enhancer.
Baking Soda: performance enhancer.
Creatine: performance enhancer.
Caffeine: performance enhancer.
Cocaine: performance enhancer.
Vicodin: performance enhancer.
Tylenol with Codeine: performance enhancer.
Aspirin: performance enhancer.

Every time an athlete gets a pain shot or an anti-inflammatory shot before taking the field, that's an example of using performance enhancing drugs.

Peds help athletes. Its not just about being stronger or faster. It heals athletes. IT PROTECTS ATHLETES.

Learn to use your brain for once and think for yourself.

Bit that's part of the rules of boxing today. You're arguing how boxing has changed in a history section thread and this is part of that. You can't have it both ways.

[ShamrockXpress]

Originally Posted by Joeyzagz

Vitali cant even walk outside his house without being asked about Haye. Vitali has been in hiding ever since Chisora got demolished in 5 rounds. Vitali was so busy ducking the Haye last summer that he actually hurt the promotion of his own fight with Charr. You cant promote when your in hiding under your bed.

Since Charr we have heard nothing from Vitali. Haye is very relevant at least in Vitali's mind. Have you ever seen the Big man this silent? I mean ever??? 10 years of constant bi*tching over "re-matches" and now hes been reduced to a mime.

Vitali has been busy with his political career, I think he's waiting on the outcome of stiverne-arreola, if stiverne wins he'll fight him, if arreola wins I think he'll retire rather than fight him again. If haye was serious about trying to fight vitali he should have fought someone ranked in the WBC and became mandatory. We all no the klitschkos like to control there opponents demands and offer them poor contracts which is why they end up fighting mandatorys, if Haye wasn't just after a payday he'd take the short end of the stick, knocking out vitali klitschko would guarantee him a bigger purse than last time fighting wladimir. But he doesn't believe in himself like last time, he's trying to cash out again and he's roped fanboys and klitschko haters like yourself into believing the hype. Then again I understand why you don't like vitali, he's never had a career defining fight, his fans do hype him up far too much, kind of like joe Calzaghe and it's not like your a fan of him

[Prince_Pugilist]

Originally Posted by JAB5239

By who Klit fans? They're the only ones who seem to be offended by this possibility.

Is there a possibility? Yes, there is a possibility of any fighter in recent history having used PEDs but the way people go on about it as if Vitali is definitely using them is just ridiculous.

The probability of Vitali not using them is higher anyway.

[Prince_Pugilist]

Originally Posted by JAB5239

How do you figure that compared to other fighters? One, he has a history. Two, many of is injuries are one that are caused from the use of steroids. And three, he seemingly came back stronger after a long layoff at a time in his life when most fighters are declining. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But there is very strong proof to suggest he may have. Much more than fighters without this same kind of history.

I think the only fighters that should be labelled as cheats are those that have been caught cheating in the pro-game and have no valid reason for those substances being in their blood. Examples are Toney, Mosley etc. Morales is a recent introduction to that list.

And how do you figure his injuries are due to steroid use? He had a shoulder injury against Byrd if I'm not mistaken. Many fighters have such an injury. His second and biggest injury was a tear of the cruciate ligament, due to a fall. Explain how steroids caused these injuries.

The only time Vitali was "caught" using drugs was when he was an amateur ahead of the 1996 Olympics. He had already notified the Ukrainian board that he was taking certain medications to heal an injury he had. The board told him they were perfectly acceptable substances. He had nothing to hide.

Those are the facts. You can hate big Vit but the man is one of the greatest fighters of our time.

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by Prince_Pugilist

I think the only fighters that should be labelled as cheats are those that have been caught cheating in the pro-game and have no valid reason for those substances being in their blood. Examples are Toney, Mosley etc. Morales is a recent introduction to that list.

And how do you figure his injuries are due to steroid use? He had a shoulder injury against Byrd if I'm not mistaken. Many fighters have such an injury. His second and biggest injury was a tear of the cruciate ligament, due to a fall. Explain how steroids caused these injuries.

The only time Vitali was "caught" using drugs was when he was an amateur ahead of the 1996 Olympics. He had already notified the Ukrainian board that he was taking certain medications to heal an injury he had. The board told him they were perfectly acceptable substances. He had nothing to hide.

Those are the facts. You can hate big Vit but the man is one of the greatest fighters of our time.

Everyone caught tries saying they have a valid reason or didn't know. Cheating is cheating.

Look up common injuries attributed to steroids. I'm on my phone and can't link you at the moment.

And no, Vits failed a test and was booted. His excuse was he didn't know what he was taking. In his autobiography though he says he took steroids to heal an injury.