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Old 12-28-2011, 12:20 AM
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because he clearly outlanded calzaghe in more rounds? how can you justify calzaghe winning? did he land more clean punches? no. did he have better defense? no. did he show effective aggression? omg no. so he won because he missed more? i don't really understand where that fits into scoring a boxing match. is there a secret 5th criteria labeled work rate? why don't you actually follow the rules of judging and then instead of saying how can anyone justify hopkins winning you will say how can anyone justify calzaghe winning when he couldn't hit his opponent. all he did was show a lot of flair but no substance.
You are so focused on how many punches Calzaghe did not land cleanly that you have taken no consideration into how few Bernard actually landed because of how little he threw, he could have won but did not do enough.
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Old 12-28-2011, 12:21 AM
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???but Reid is white too
But not nearly so good, so he doesn't feel the need to discredit him. He just bashes all the good ones like Calzaghe and Wlad.
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Old 12-28-2011, 12:22 AM
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Really Tunney? Thats how you defend yourself?

Just change his post and then reply to that?
that's how he operates. his brain automatically changes reality into something race related so he's basically responding to his own brain when he posts. he needs help.
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Old 12-28-2011, 12:24 AM
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what i always post about is protected champs fighting bums.
What about boxers like Mayweather and Ward who have refused to fight decent opponents in other countries?

Floyd likes to have his home ref Joe Cortez there to help him out.

Ward getting all his Super Six fights in the USA while everybody else had to fight in foreign countries, was that fair?

But you'll never say anything about that.
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Old 12-28-2011, 12:29 AM
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You are so focused on how many punches Calzaghe did not land cleanly that you have taken no consideration into how few Bernard actually landed because of how little he threw, he could have won but did not do enough.
saying he didn't do enough makes no sense because what did calzaghe do? did hopkins land a lot of punches during the fight compared to say ward-gatti? no of course not but did he land a lot of punches compared to the guy he was fighting which was calzaghe? yes he did. isn't that the point of boxing? be better than your opponent? and he clearly did that in more of the rounds the fight's been broken down in great detail. yes in some of the rounds the actual connects were like 6 to 2 in hopkins favor but that's still a wide margin. if hopkins didn't land much then calzaghe was nearly impotent. hopkins used his great defense to negate calzaghe and then he picked his spots to land clean punches. that's what you call boxing.
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Old 12-28-2011, 12:53 AM
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What about boxers like Mayweather and Ward who have refused to fight decent opponents in other countries?

Floyd likes to have his home ref Joe Cortez there to help him out.

Ward getting all his Super Six fights in the USA while everybody else had to fight in foreign countries, was that fair?

But you'll never say anything about that.
most good boxers relocate to the usa. that's just the way it works fair or not. look at the top 6 p4p fighters they all fight in the usa. coincidence? you must know something that they don't know? you are a genius after all right?

who is mayweather supposed to fight overseas? is he supposed to go to the philippines to fight pac or how about ukraine to fight senchenko? that would make sense wouldn't it? ahh he didn't go to ghana to fight joshua clottey that must be it.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:13 AM
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What about boxers like Mayweather and Ward who have refused to fight decent opponents in other countries?

Floyd likes to have his home ref Joe Cortez there to help him out.

Ward getting all his Super Six fights in the USA while everybody else had to fight in foreign countries, was that fair?

But you'll never say anything about that.
Are you friggin' kidding me pal? daggum stays shittin' on Mayweather. And goes out of his way to do so.

And what is there to criticize about Ward? Because he didn't leave boxing's epicenter and media and financial capitol, to go fight in lesser countries? What sense does that make?

Since when has anybody successfully advanced thier boxing career by going to Denmark and the UK to fight?

Both Kessler & Froch understood that they needed the U.S. market in order to take their careers to the next level, which is why they agreed to fight here.

There's really nothing to crticize about Ward (other than his style and stale personality) He just cleaned out the top half of his division. Which is something of a rare occurance in the sport in modern times. Ward represents everything that's right with the sport of boxing (other than his style and stale personality
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I had it 116-114 for Joe, giving Reid several even rounds.

Reid lost this anyway you look at it. By 1 point at least 6 at worst.
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What about boxers like Mayweather and Ward who have refused to fight decent opponents in other countries?

Floyd likes to have his home ref Joe Cortez there to help him out.

Ward getting all his Super Six fights in the USA while everybody else had to fight in foreign countries, was that fair?

But you'll never say anything about that.
lol that's like saying why doesn't Robert Deniro travel to India to act in Bollywood.

It makes no sense.
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saying he didn't do enough makes no sense because what did calzaghe do? did hopkins land a lot of punches during the fight compared to say ward-gatti? no of course not but did he land a lot of punches compared to the guy he was fighting which was calzaghe? yes he did. isn't that the point of boxing? be better than your opponent? and he clearly did that in more of the rounds the fight's been broken down in great detail. yes in some of the rounds the actual connects were like 6 to 2 in hopkins favor but that's still a wide margin. if hopkins didn't land much then calzaghe was nearly impotent. hopkins used his great defense to negate calzaghe and then he picked his spots to land clean punches. that's what you call boxing.
Seriously Daggum, Joe basically shut him down and figured him out from rd4 on and had Hopkins doing nothing but backing up and holding.
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