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Old 12-25-2011, 01:44 AM
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I will list each notable fight, what he won in the fight, what each fighter had done going into the fight, and each fighters record going in.

1998: Genaro Hernandez (38-1-1)- W RTD8 (Won WBC Super Featherweight title)
---Hadn't lost in 3 years (only loss was to De La Hoya), coming off wins over C. Hernandez and Gerena.

1998: Angel Manfredy (25-2-1)- W TKO2
---Hadn't lost in 4 years, coming off wins over Ruiz and Gatti.

2000: Gregorio Vargas (40-6-1)- W UD12
---Hadn't lost in 3 years, no significant wins though. Lost to C. Hernandez and Molina.

2001: Diego Corrales (33-0)- W TKO10
---Unbeaten, coming off wins over Garcia, Juuko, and Manfredy.

2001: Carlos Hernandez (33-2-1)- W UD12
---Hadn't lost in 4 years since losing to G. Hernandez, no significant wins.

2001: Jesus Chavez (35-1)- W RTD9
---Hadn't lost in 6 years, coming off win over Arias.

2002: Jose Luis Castillo (45-4-1)- W UD12 (Won WBC and RING Lightweight titles)
---Hadn't lost in 4 years, coming off wins over Johnston and Bazan.

2002: Jose Luis Castillo (46-5-1)- W UD12
---Immediate rematch.

2003: Phillip N'dou (31-1)- W TKO7
---Hadn't lost in 5 years, no significant wins.

2004: DeMarcus Corley (28-2-1)- W UD12
---Coming off controversial loss to Judah and win over Bailey.

2005: Arturo Gatti (39-6)- W RTD6 (Won WBC Jr. Welterweight title)
---Hadn't lost in 3 years, coming off wins over Ward, Branco, and Dorin.

2006: Zab Judah (34-3)- W UD12 (Won IBF Welterweight title)
---Coming off win over Spinks and loss to Baldomir.

2006: Carlos Baldomir (43-9-6)- W UD12 (Won WBC and RING Welterweight titles)
---Hadn't lost in 8 years, coming off wins over Gatti and Judah.

2007: Oscar De La Hoya (38-4)- W SD12 (Won WBC Super Welterweight title)
---Coming off loss to Hopkins, retired, and than came back to KO Mayorga.

2007: Ricky Hatton (43-0)- W TKO10
---Unbeaten, coming off wins over Tszyu, Collazo, Urango, and Castillo.

2009: Juan Manuel Marquez (50-4-1)- W UD12
---Only losses in 10 years were controversial L's to John in 06' and Pacquiao in 08'. Coming off wins over Barrera, Casamayor, and Diaz.

2010: Shane Mosley (46-5)- W UD12 (WBA Welterweight title on the line only for Mosley)
---Hadn't lost in 3 years, coming off wins over Mayorga and Margarito.

2011: Victor Ortiz (29-2-2)- W KO4 (Won WBC Welterweight title)
---Coming off loss to Maidana, and wins over Diaz, Campbell, Berto, and a draw he should have won over Peterson.

I'd give his resume a B- or B. He definitely could have had an A resume if he'd beat Margarito in 06' and Cotto in 08', but he can still get up there. Sergio at 154-155 would boost it big time, definitely to a B+, maybe even A-. And, of course Pacquiao would.

Floyd's resume....good and he's an ATG, but it should get better his last couple years here.
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Old 12-25-2011, 01:49 AM
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C- and I'm being generous. I talk to a lot of people and they think the same or worse (most of them floyd fans i talk to in streets). Floyd resume lacks big names and is full of cherry pics and ducks. Thtas why he's taken as a joke not only by fans but the media as well recognizes he has fabricated record.
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Old 12-25-2011, 02:01 AM
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Just taking it at face value I would give him a B+

If I consider the fights I know he could have had instead and include things like that, it falls down to a B-
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Old 12-25-2011, 02:03 AM
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C- and I'm being generous. I talk to a lot of people and they think the same or worse (most of them floyd fans i talk to in streets). Floyd resume lacks big names and is full of cherry pics and ducks. Thtas why he's taken as a joke not only by fans but the media as well recognizes he has fabricated record.
C'mon man. The only people you can ever make an argument about ducking is Margarito and Cotto, and you think Bob Arum had nothing to with those fights not happening????? I'll make a Pacquiao thread tomorrow, and if you're going to say "Floyd cherry picked this guy or that guy", Pac picked TONS and TONS of fghters coming off losses and bad performances. Floyd's only big fights with an oponent coming off a loss or crappy outings were Vargas, Corley, and Judah. All the others, they were coming off wins, hadn't been beat in a long time, and were top people.

What about how Pac didn't fight Marquez rematches for 4 years till JMM was past his prime-still good, and 3 1/2 years till JMM was past his prime??? Or how he didn't fight a Barrera rematch for 4 years until MAB was past his prime??? Or how he didn't fight Raheemin 05'-06' after Raheem whooped Morales??? Or how he didn't fight Guzman in 07'-08'??? Or how he didn't fight Mosley in 09'-10' after Shane KO'd Mayorga and Margarito, and then instead fought him after Floyd and Mora??? Or how he didn't fight Berto in 10', opting to fight a way past it Margarito??? Or how he didn't fight Ortiz after he beat Berto, opting to fight JMM past his prime???

There's plenty of questions about your boy too man. If you weigh in what Pac's opponents did going into the fights with him, where they were at in their careers, I'd give him a B-/B as well.

Also, FLoyd's dominant win over Maruqez in 09', when JMM was past his prime-still good, is really big now, given the fact that JMM arguably beat Pacquiao last month at the same weight. Don't give me the whole "2lbs were why Floyd won" thing, that had NOTHING to do with Marquez being severly out classed and dominated by Floyd.

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If you weigh in what Pac's opponents did going into the fights with him, where they were at in their careers, I'd give him a B-/B as well.
IMO today, I'd give Manny a B-/C+ on his resume because post-2009, his fights have been super craptacular. Pre-2010, his resume was A-/B+.
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IMO today, I'd give Manny a B-/C+ on his resume because post-2009, his fights have been super craptacular. Pre-2010, his resume was A-/B+.
I agree with this 100%.

My problem lately is that since Pacquiao has achieved superstardom he has shot up ATG lists...his best wins were all from 4+ years ago, but his fans keep insisting he is a top 25 ATG or higher...which to me is basically saying he was already a top 25 ATG by the time he was 28...how can a guy be fighting in house fighters and shot names and somehow skyrocket up people's ATG lists.
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Old 12-25-2011, 02:16 AM
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IMO today, I'd give Manny a B-/C+ on his resume because post-2009, his fights have been super craptacular. Pre-2010, his resume was A-/B+.
Agree. Manny and Floyd both have good resume's, not GREAT. Of course, if Manny beat FLoyd or vice-versa, it would probably elevate either's resume greatly. If Floyd beat Sergio, it would elevate it as well, and if Pac beat Bradley or something, his would elevate a bit as well.

Still, prior to 2009, Pac's resume was probably a B/B+ still. Barrera was Pac's best win, hands down, by far. He was in his latter prime and coming off wins over Hamed and Morales. But, Morales was coming off L's to Barrera and Raheem when Pac fought him, and I think Pac's Morales wins are his most overrated, except for Hatton or Margarito.

I'll make a Pacquiao resume thread tomorrow.

In my opinion, after they fight each other, they need to fight people like Sergio, Bradley, Khan (if he bounces back and wins), Kirkland at 154 (if he keeps winning), etc. And then they would be even greater. Don't get me wrong, Pac and Floyd are both ATG's, but they are around the top 30 or so right now, not even close to the top 20 or 15, in terms of historical wins, resume's, etc.
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c or c+, ducked many and fought no all time great elite guy ever in prime, lol, too much vacations and rarely fights, his best win might be the one vs baldomir even though hes fought better guys than baldomir, the baldomir fight was the one where floyds fans proclaimed floyd as some god , lol, floyd has beaten nice but not very solid champs but at lowerweights but he was really impressive vs corrales, lol, im gonna give floyd a generous c+ grade which he might not deserve so floyds fans dont cry like b1tches for me giving floyd his well deserved c- grade, lol, c + it is, lol, nyahahahaha
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D+ and thats being generous. Lots of fights he should have taken earlier and lots of fights he should have taken but didnt. The retirement hurt also. Weight advantages against a few bigger wins Etc..
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