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Old 12-23-2011, 12:25 AM
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Cause the ATG wouldn't have lost to Duran, Hearns, Marvin ***ler.
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:28 AM
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Cause the ATG wouldn't have lost to Duran, Hearns, Marvin ***ler.
All the greatest fighters in history lost. Ali to Spinks. Who do you consider better all time, Spinks or Duran?


Argument = invalid
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:29 AM
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Continue on with so on. That's about where the list ends of fighters ahead of Ray. Henry Armstrong also but Ray is in the top 10 of all time.
Joe Gans

Ruberto Duran

Jack Johnson

Harry Greb

Jack Dempsey

Maybe Rocky Marciano

And maybe Jimmy Wilde
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:29 AM
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Cause the ATG wouldn't have lost to Duran, Hearns, Marvin ***ler.
The ATG lost to far worst. BTW, he never lost to Hearns or Hagler. Two fighters that are in the top 50 of all time. The only reason ray lost to Duran in the first fight was being simply unprepared. Ray in his prime was as good as it gets.
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:29 AM
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Cause the ATG wouldn't have lost to Duran, Hearns, Marvin ***ler.
Leonard only lost to Duran out of your list and he avenged his loss with wide UD's and making Duran quit
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:32 AM
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Joe Gans

Ruberto Duran

Jack Johnson

Harry Greb

Jack Dempsey

Maybe Rocky Marciano

And maybe Jimmy Wilde
It's too time consuming to debate these things and it's all a matter of opinion but of those guys I might consider Greb the only one higher than him. Your first list is good but I wouldn't add too many more. IMO, Ray is top 10. Talent wise he's much higher also. Arguably the most talented fighter to ever lace em up.
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:33 AM
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Leonard only lost to Duran out of your list and he avenged his loss with wide UD's and making Duran quit
Leonard lost to duran and in their second fight Duran only quit because he had an upset stomach.. He admitted that he lost the second Hearns fights.He got a gift decision against Hagler. Leonard admitted that he threw flurries at the end of each round to fool the judges into giving him the decision
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:33 AM
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Ray Leonard finished his career off in 89-91 (not counting his comeback in the later 90's) and at that time Gerald McClellan was still a prospect......barley
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:45 AM
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His speed, skills and combinations were mesmerizing, I know what you on about, he was amazing but still he just can't edge Robinson out for me.
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:47 AM
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That is a nice list but Ray Leonards talents in the ring are unseen nowadays. Still think Ray smokes Mayweather and Pacquiao respectively.
I honestly feel and have always felt that Floyd beats Ray Leonard pretty decisively.
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