Who will be the biggest star in Britain once Froch loses? - Page 2

The Weebler II

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Originally Posted by -Kev-

That's the story of English fighters right there. "He only lost to the #1 guys"[Ricky Hatton]. Means you couldn't beat the Ricky, i'm sorry.

Khan has already lost to two guys who are not even close to the top 10 P4P, Froch as well has lost to two guys who were not even the best of their own division. So Ricky Hatton still stands out of the bunch even though he's retired, he literally lost to the two #1 P4P fighters. But in the end, that is what English fighters are being known for nowadays "He only lost to he best" like if that's some kind of feat. ATG's are not made by losing to the best, it's by beating the best.

A few things here Kev

1) 'He only lost to the best' is generally said in defense of a British fighter being unfairly criticised - fairly often on NSB.

2) No.1 is actually true in the case of Hatton, Haye and a number of others and as Biolink says, there is no shame in losing to the best fighter whether it's Pacquiao or Klitschko or whoever.

3) Manny Pacquiao is an atg and he has lost 3 fights, some argue more. Gatti is an all time great to some people, it's not all about winning, it's about how you make people feel, that's what gets remembered.

4) Khan lost to Prescott but he was robbed against Peterson and every fair assessor knows it.

5) Froch hasn't lost yet, let's see how things go this weekend.

-Kev-

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Originally Posted by The Weebler II

A few things here Kev

1) 'He only lost to the best' is generally said in defense of a British fighter being unfairly criticised - fairly often on NSB.

2) No.1 is actually true in the case of Hatton, Haye and a number of others and as Biolink says, there is no shame in losing to the best fighter whether it's Pacquiao or Klitschko or whoever.

3) Manny Pacquiao is an atg and he has lost 3 fights, some argue more. Gatti is an all time great to some people, it's not all about winning, it's about how you make people feel, that's what gets remembered.

4) Khan lost to Prescott but he was robbed against Peterson and every fair assessor knows it.

5) Froch hasn't lost yet, let's see how things go this weekend.

The Peterson fight, take away the fake knockdown and the two points deduction, Peterson still wins. But take away the 2 points that were deducted only, sure Khan should have won. But if we're being fair and imagining the fight to be perfect, free of any wrong calls, Peterson still wins. Losing to Prescott in round 1 is horrible. This is not like Khan's first fight, in which he lost by decision, like Hopkins, Donaire[2nd pro fight], JMM who then became very good fighters/future HOF'ers/ATG...This is a TKO1 loss in the middle of your career we're talking about.

And since we're talking about close fights being robberies, Froch was in one of those as well, and it was in favor of him.

The Weebler II

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Originally Posted by -Kev-

The Peterson fight, take away the fake knockdown and the two points deduction, Peterson still wins. But take away the 2 points that were deducted only, sure Khan should have won. But if we're being fair and imagining the fight to be perfect, free of any wrong calls, Peterson still wins. Losing to Prescott in round 1 is horrible. This is not like Khan's first fight, in which he lost by decision, like Hopkins, Donaire[2nd pro fight], JMM who then became very good fighters/future HOF'ers/ATG...This is a TKO1 loss in the middle of your career we're talking about.

Khan was the clear victor imo and that's been expressed by enough people who follow the sport for me to feel comfortable in that assessment.

Losing to Prescott is horrible, but no one ever claimed Khan was the perfect fighter without weaknesses.

He's British, we back him, it is what it is.

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And since we're talking about close fights being robberies, Froch was in one of those as well, and it was in favor of him.

Granted, I gave it to Dirrell too but in one way I'm glad Boxing didn't reward his tactics on the night, they were shameful from a supposed 'fighter'.

Marshall89

What about the US eh? Your country is what, 200 times bigger than England??? And you only have 5 or 6 legit not ducking world champions? LMAO
I wish Ward had come to England to fight instead the ****in US again with 2 American judges AGAIN!!!! (! American and 1 Canadian, but potatoe potata)
You've only got 1 f***in American UFC champion n dats your f***in sport, wid 90% Americans.... Full Of Steroids!!!
The standard ting for Americans at High School is STEROIDS, your all a bunch of cheating pieces of s***. Your sprinters take it, Your boxers (Mosley), Your Baseball players, NFL players, MMA fighters, ****in EVERYONE that competes in elite level sport has dabbled with STEROIDS guaranteed.
Standard ting for us Brits is smokin some green n gettin p**** wid our bigger ****s cos we ent STEROID abusers....

Your all Corrupt wastemans without the b*llocks to admit it like Hitler did...

Marshall89

Hey, listen, Dirrell lost the fight...
Not ONE English judge scored the fight so ders no biased a gwarn there unlike the 2 American judges that scored the fight to Peterson!!!!!
And the judges used are common judges on American soil so you can't say s*** about that. It was on English soil but nuttin like in the US with 2 out of the 3 judges AMERICAN and the referee aswelL!!!!!!!! F***in madness no?
There werent even an English referee in charge of the Dirrell vs Froch fight...

The Weebler II

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Originally Posted by Marshall89

Hey, listen, Dirrell lost the fight...
Not ONE English judge scored the fight so ders no biased a gwarn there unlike the 2 American judges that scored the fight to Peterson!!!!!
And the judges used are common judges on American soil so you can't say s*** about that. It was on English soil but nuttin like in the US with 2 out of the 3 judges AMERICAN and the referee aswelL!!!!!!!! F***in madness no?
There werent even an English referee in charge of the Dirrell vs Froch fight...

That's something else that needs to be introduced to boxing to bring it into line with other sports - nationality neutral judges and referees.

It's crazy to think in new millennium that boxing still partakes in such an outdated practice.

-Kev-

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Originally Posted by Marshall89

Hey, listen, Dirrell lost the fight...
Not ONE English judge scored the fight so ders no biased a gwarn there unlike the 2 American judges that scored the fight to Peterson!!!!!
And the judges used are common judges on American soil so you can't say s*** about that. It was on English soil but nuttin like in the US with 2 out of the 3 judges AMERICAN and the referee aswelL!!!!!!!! F***in madness no?
There werent even an English referee in charge of the Dirrell vs Froch fight...

You are very gullible if you think judges from other nationalities can't be bribed on a hometown fighters city.

Let's not act like American judges support African American fighters. You do realize that Calzaghe won a very close fight in the U.S., with American judges, against an African American Bernard Hopkins, in a fight many people thought Hopkins actually won. I wasn't one of those people though, I thought Hopkins lost and I am glad he lost because of the antics in that fight and trying to steal points away and take breathers, while Calzaghe missed so many punches, he was actually throwing punches and was trying to actually fight, while Hopkins was trying to film a movie with all the acting he did there.

Marshall89

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Originally Posted by -Kev-

You are very gullible if you think judges from other nationalities can't be bribed on a hometown fighters city.

Let's not act like American judges support African American fighters. You do realize that Calzaghe won a very close fight in the U.S., with American judges, against an African American Bernard Hopkins, in a fight many people thought Hopkins actually won. I wasn't one of those people though, I thought Hopkins lost and I am glad he lost because of the antics in that fight and trying to steal points away and take breathers, while Calzaghe missed so many punches, he was actually throwing punches and was trying to actually fight, while Hopkins was trying to film a movie with all the acting he did there.

Only you cheating Americans would think of Bribery....
If Dirrell won the fight, you'd all congratulate him and say he should have won by a bigger margin. The biased in America is madness, pure madness.
N youre very gullible to think it doesnt exist bruv.
Americans are American, wether its African American, Latin American, Asian American, you all suck each others bellends