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Old 11-25-2011, 11:01 AM
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There's this belief going around on some sites that Machida is so much better than jones technically. Striking comes to the discussion and most people I've seen are of the opinion that Machida's striking is light years better. But, I'm not so sure.

Statistics show that Jones gets hit less than Machida(Bones only gets hit with 33 percent of strikes people throw at him) and has taken literally little to no damage striking. I don't believe his offensive striking is as good as Machida's yet, but a lot of his striking is done for defensive purposes. We saw how Shogun was able to break through Machida's striking game. However, when Shogun faced Jones he was only able to land 11 strikes in 3 rounds.

Without being a *****, actually take time and think about who has the better striking.

I'd have to go with Jones because I don't ever see anyone doing any damage to him striking. He can outpoint anyone striking.

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Old 11-25-2011, 11:20 AM
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machida.
People are too high on jones. It's mostly his athleticism and physical abilities that makes him so awkward to fight.
Hes not an elite striker in my opinion. But hes a very good striker for being a wrestler.

With that said, Jones will beat machida easily. It's really bad style matchup for machida.

Jones don't take dmg because he can stay at such an absurd range. It's like if Williams actually knew how to fight to his height at ww.
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Old 11-25-2011, 11:25 AM
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The problem is that people seem to want to detach his physical attributes when discussing him as a fighter. It's almost like he'll never get credit for anything he does because of it. "Oh, he has long arms so he's really not that good just physical." That doesn't make sense. In a sport that requires sharp timing and knowledge and in a sport where you're going against people that have been training for decades, you can't just get by just because you have long arms and are tall.

His physicality is part of who he is as a fighter. You can't take it away from him and try to make impartial judgements on him.

Jones has never taken any damage striking yet people act as if he's a ****ty striker. I don't get it.
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Old 11-25-2011, 02:12 PM
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It's not only about his reach. I'm saying it is a large factor combined with being probably the best athlete in the division (in the ufc, yoel romero is still a better athlete).

His punching technique is somewhat mediocre in my opinion. But so is most of mmafighters.

The thing with him being so effective is due to people not wanting to get close and clinch because he will just manhandle them and throw them to the ground.
For example, if he fought Anderson Silva i have no doubt jon jones murders him. But in a striking match with no takedowns i would heavily favor silva.

Also in my world, being called a worse striker than machida =/= being a ****ty striker. Be less dramatic.
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Old 11-25-2011, 03:10 PM
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More efficient: Machida

More versatile: Jones

Most damage causing: Jones


So it depends on what you think defines great striking. Efficiency doesn't always mean great damage or many moves. While causing a shit load of damage and being able to do many things doesn't mean your always efficient.
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Jones has some unique skills, but those skills without his over baring size(for LHW) and athleticism would not work. Jones needs his height, length and size to get away with all the things that he does.

We'll only truely know what he is capable of when he starts fighting guys his own size at hw.

Machida on the other hand actually has striking skills and its not based on his athleticism.
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Old 11-25-2011, 03:46 PM
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I agree with Kswizzy. Jone appears better than he actually is due to making up for gaps in skill with raw traits like strength and constitution. Will Machida cause any more trouble for Jones then anyone else has? I doubt it. Is Jones a high skilled athlete? Nope, he's a got excellent genes to make up for it. The only thing I'm really impressed skill wise with Jonny is his greco-roman or upper-body take downs. They do rely on his strength as much as anything else he does, but the movements are fluid and not without text book structure.
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Old 11-25-2011, 03:51 PM
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More efficient: Machida

More versatile: Jones

Most damage causing: Jones


So it depends on what you think defines great striking. Efficiency doesn't always mean great damage or many moves. While causing a shit load of damage and being able to do many things doesn't mean your always efficient.
For the sake of argument. Does skill not refer to refinement? I agree Bones is effective, but hardly refined. He's very raw. A more refined Jones would beat our present one. He does get away with mistakes by being long and strong....and down to get the friction on.
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I think Machida is overrated as a striker his one trick is to be elusive and backpedal until the opponent overreaches then he counters. He can't do that against Jones so he will most likely get pwned. Jones is pretty raw but already his striking is at a pretty high level. Once he starts ingraining it into his skill st and it becomes second nature he will be almost unbeatable. I would love to see a hulked up HW Jones fighting at HW though against JDS.
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For the sake of argument. Does skill not refer to refinement? I agree Bones is effective, but hardly refined. He's very raw. A more refined Jones would beat our present one. He does get away with mistakes by being long and strong....and down to get the friction on.

Well, true. I think it's subjective really.

Machida is very polished and although he can't do a billion things, he gets the job done while take very little damage.

Jones on the other hand does so much that he sometimes picks the wrong shot or makes a mistake but when/if it lands, someone is going down.

I prefer a pin-point style like Machida's but can't rely deny the usefulness of a versatile offense like Jones'.
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