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Old 11-14-2011, 12:56 AM
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Post Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” – A Rivalry Without a Resolution

by David P. Greisman - It’s impossible to settle a score when the scores don’t settle anything.

Juan Manuel Marquez had a draw with Manny Pacquiao in 2004 and a narrow split decision loss to Pacquiao in 2008. The final scorecards showed Pacquiao to be just a little bit better. Yet the parts that made those sums tilted the conclusion in the other direction – with 12 rounds a fight, and three judges for each, Marquez had been marked down as winning 41 out of 72 rounds.

Pacquiao, meanwhile, had been a one-point scoring error away from victory in 2004. Though one point gave him the edge in 2008, he’d considered himself the winner without controversy. He’d knocked Marquez down four times in two fights. Two of three judges tabbed him in the second fight, and that should’ve been the same result for the first.

These were the justifications Marquez and Pacquiao carried with them for years, evidence underlying assertions that one was better than the other.

Theirs was, and still is, a rivalry without a resolution.

Marquez turned down an immediate rematch with Pacquiao in 2004 and instead had to wait four years for a second shot. He was forced to wait again after the 2008 battle as Pacquiao moved on to bigger opponents, bigger paydays, bigger exposure and bigger stardom. [Click Here To Read More]
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:01 AM
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Looks like Floyd's going to get Pac now before Arum does.
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:25 AM
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:45 AM
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marquez won all 3 fights and worse case scenario he drew one and won 2..

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Old 11-14-2011, 03:19 AM
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Old 11-14-2011, 03:20 AM
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Resolved. JMM won the triology. 38 yo past prime.
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:21 PM
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So, Marquez is to Pacquiao what Jose Louis Castillo is to Floyd Jr.?
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:24 PM
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Nice post. This is the best opinion that exposed facts closer to the reality so far! Pac is still the best contemporary fighter, inspite of his substandard performance with JMM on their trilogy. JMM who posed problem with Pac is not necessarily better than Cotto, Margarito, Mosley or Joshua that Pac easily defeated, but he is just the complete opposite of Pac style. Without JMM, Pac is the same beast in the ring!
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:30 PM
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perfect title, good read....no matter how many times they fight, there will never be a clear winner....real talk!
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:56 PM
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perfect title, good read....no matter how many times they fight, there will never be a clear winner....real talk!
actually, pac outlanded marquez in total punches landed 9 rounds to 1 with 2 rounds even
power punches landed, pac wins here as well, 8 rounds to 4
so i dont see where the robbery or contreversy is?

with pac being the aggressor all nite and outpunches marquez, i myself had pac winning by 3 rounds, as did ledderman of hbo. CONTREVERSY? NOT EVEN CLOSE...besides, most people who didnt think pac won thought it was a draw. as for marquez saying the crowd know who won...well marquez, those are your fans. the majority of the hbo analyst also believe pac won, only emanual steward believed it couldve gone either way
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