Comments Thread For: CompuBox Stats: Pacquiao-Marquez I and II Reviewed

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

CompuBox takes a detailed look at the first two fights involving Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez. The two boxers fought in 2004 and 2008, with a twelve round draw in the first meeting, and Pacquiao winning a close split decision in the rematch. They clash later tonight, for the third time, at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

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[etlux]

Originally Posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP

CompuBox takes a detailed look at the first two fights involving Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez. The two boxers fought in 2004 and 2008, with a twelve round draw in the first meeting, and Pacquiao winning a close split decision in the rematch. They clash later tonight, for the third time, at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

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pure domination by marquez

[PlayerKiller]

Originally Posted by etlux

pure domination by marquez

He does have good number bar the knock downs agaisnt him and also you must look at rounds, that's how fights are scored. You can hit a guy 100 times in round 1, and lose the other 11 rounds by having 3 hits to 5 for example.

[TheMexHurricane]

Marquez won both fights because there were more rounds in which he not only landed more power shots, but more power shots at a higher % along with a higher overall % of total punches. Their are rounds where one guy landed more shots or power shots and the other landed at a higher connect %---rounds which can go either way--- but their were just more rounds where Marquez simply landed both more punches at a higher connect % in more categories.

[Toyman]

if compubox realy meant so much then thered be no need for judges

doesnt matter if jmm outlands by 1 or 2, cos he barely hurt pac, whereas pac had jmm hanging on for dear life multiple times.

the 2 most telling stats:

Pac 4 KDs to 0.

4 (+1=5) Judges say pac won, 2 say JMM won



even in the 2nd fight, pac outlanded jmm in 7 rounds, but its ok cos i know that doesnt matter.

pac won both fights and i think we all know that; no need to deny it

[Muscles72]

Originally Posted by TheMexHurricane

Marquez won both fights because there were more rounds in which he not only landed more power shots, but more power shots at a higher % along with a higher overall % of total punches. Their are rounds where one guy landed more shots or power shots and the other landed at a higher connect %---rounds which can go either way--- but their were just more rounds where Marquez simply landed both more punches at a higher connect % in more categories.

I can' t agree with u more its about time somebody came on this site with some sense just got done watching their second fight in 08 and I saw some rds that marquez clearly won and was given to pac same thing in the first fight u know when they made these odds in vegas I think they went pac's recent fights where he basically fought stiffs aside from cotto and they failed to take into account marquez's acomplishments in the past 3 years.

[~BoZz~]

JMM pwned him big time

[puga]

they combined the two fights in one stat?.....thumbs down

[KFC(Fforfloyd)]

my analyzation- equipments( downloaded video of marquez-pac 3 and VLC to watch in slow motion{ 0.33x speed})
1st round
start of round"pacquiao jabs- miss
2:49:- marquez jabs andhits pac's glove
2:47- pac jabs marquez's glove
2:42- pac jabs marquez face( clean)
2:38- double jab by pac both miss
2:34- pac jabs and misses
2:33- pac jabs marquez glove
2:27: marquez right straight and misses while pac backpeddles1
2:27-pacc counters with a jab and misses
2:20- marquez jabs and hits between pac's arms
2:17- marquez throws loose jab to distance himself aand pac
2:14- marquez throws left hook and misses
2:10-pac throws a jab and hits marquez glove
2:07- pac throws a jab and misses
2:04- marquez throws a jab and hits between pac forearms and misses head
2:02- pac throws jab and misses
2:00- pac double jabs both are missed
2:00- marquez counters with a left hook and misses3
1:56- marquez looping left hook grazes pac's gloves4
1:54-marquez jab to the body ( in real time, it looked clean but watching in slomo, it hit pac's elbow and it went down to his body touching it.. partially blocked, not clean or hard)
1:51- pac double jabs and both are missed
1:49- pac straight left( clean and hard) 3/11
1:49- marquez with right straight and misses5
1:46- pac double jabs and throws left straight and finishes it off with right hook, first 3 misses except the right hook which made marquez looses his footing 2/10
1:43-marquez jabs and doesnt land on anything
1:40- marquez right hook (misses)
1:39-pac counter right hook follows it up with a double jab and a left straight( all misses) 1/8
1:35- marquez jabs and misses
1:34- marquez and manny both jab each others gloves
1:32- marquez jabs and misses
1:27- marquez jabs and misses
1:26- marquez right body hook tags pac while pac backpeddles( not consider clean and hard)
1:19- pac left straight hits marquez's gloves 1/6
1:18- both lean into each other and feign punchess, pac then jabs and it goes over marquez's head
1:15- pac jabs and misses
1:12- marquez jabs manny's temple( clean)
1:11- manny counter right and left hook both misses
1:11- marquez counter right hhook( clean and hard), left hook and right hook triple combo( 1 hit 2 misses) 1/10
1:02- pac jabs and misses
1:01- pac jabs and misses
0:59- pac jabs and hits gloves
0:58-marquez jabs and misses
0:55 pac jabs and throws right hook combo( both missed) 1/5
0:46-pac jabs and missed
0:42-pac jabs and missed
0:38- marquez jabs and missed
0:36-pac jabs and missed
0:33-marquez jab and right hook combo (both missed)
0:30- pac left straight snaps marquez's head back( clean and hard) 1/4
0:30- marquez counter jabbed and missed
0:27- pac double jab( both missed)
0:22- pac jabs and missed
0:18- pac jabs and missed
0:15- looping right hook by marquez is missed
0:14- pac counter left hook and marquez ducked3
0:10- marquez jab/right straight combo missed 1/13
0:09-pac jab/left straight combo both missed 2
0:04- marquez throws right hook and it grazes pac;s shoulder, throws left hook and pac squats, throws right body hook and missed pac's body
0:01- pac does a jab, left hook combo both missed1
0:01- marquez counters and hits below the belt with a right hook,looks like he holds pac with his left hand and throws another right hook to pacs body and missed as pac backpeddles (neither punches count)
round 1

jabs connected/ jabs total
pac:1/27
marquez:1/12
note: marquez used alot of feign jabs to keep pac at a distance in which i didnt count them

power punches connected/total
pac:3/11
marquez:1/18

defensively pac was better since he defended against power punches better, pac outlanded jmm by a mere two punches in the clean and hard punches category, both are tied for ring generalship and of course the effective aggressor was he that landed the power punches better or defended better against it

PAC WINS ROUND 1 but not by much

***will post round 2 later***