Freddie Roach "Who The F*** Are Mayweather & Bradley? We'll Fight Martinez @ 150"

[Brother Jay]

Originally Posted by hugh grant

Pac beat the p4p no1 or 2 in the world in barrera. Who did Floyd beat to be no1? Hernandez perhaps? Hernandez might have been the best in his division, but he wasnt p4p top 5 so who did Floyd beat to be no1 above Pac. Gatti, perhaps, maybe Manfredy? Again also tell me what great fighters sergio beat for years and years that made him no2 as well! Im going by your logic and your boasts dont seem to marry up with your own logic.
The Cotto pac beat would have beat anyone Floyd ever fought while im at it.

So what if Floyd beat grandad SSM. In hindsight SSM isnt that great so why should floyd get credit for beating SSM? Thats like trying to get a ***** to give Pac credit for beating DLH! DLH was a beast who was supposed to beat Pac like he was his daddy, but it didnt map out like people planned.
Im succint and to the point unlike you. Who is a salesman.......cowboy salesman that is trying to blind people with jargon.

How was Barrera #1 P4P??? At what point? You must be smoking some of that good Asian opium.

Cotto won 1 fight against Mosley that put him into the top 3, then lost 6 months later. Same with Margarito. He won against Cotto and then got KO'd 8 months later.

Floyd beat every #1 ranked in every division WHILE THEY WERE STILL RANKED #1! Tszyu being the only exception.

When Floyd faced SSM, Shane was the #1WW after having knocked out Margarito who beat Cotto bloody. Shane was coming off of a huge win and had actually earned his #1 spot.

When Floyd faced Ortiz, Victor was the #2WW in the world after having beaten Berto. And guess what? Berto is already champion again at WW. Ortiz was coming off of a huge win and had actually earned his spot.

Pacquiao fought Barrera and Morales ... lost to Morales. Then dodges the man who had just beaten Morales: Zahir Raheem.

Pacquiao has NOT faced a first, second or third ranked boxer since 2008 when he fought Marquez.

There is no way he's a top boxer by fighting 5th ranked fighters. That's just the way it is. You don't jump to #1 by fighting 5th ranked boxers ... no matter how many 5th ranked fighters you face.

[Brother Jay]

Originally Posted by Kilrain

Probably one of the dumbest posts I've ever read on this board.

That's probably because you did read your own post, my man.

Originally Posted by Kilrain

Floyd fights the #1 or #2 in every division? Are you crazy? He RETIRED rather than fight Cotto or Margarito, who were at the time the top 2 names in the welterweight division.

The only year that Floyd was not active since 1996 was 2008. Both Cotto and Margarito were destroyed following the one noteworthy each of them managed to obtain. We are talking in a matter of 8 months each fighter was beaten, had their title taken, and struggling to get back on their feet. Then, within 1-2 tune ups, they were defeated again by Pacquiao. Remember, Pacquiao only fights guys coming off losses.

Originally Posted by Kilrain

He moved up from jr-welterweight, when he could've fought Tszyu (division's no.1), to fight a blown-up jr-welterweight Tszyu victim in his first fight at welterweight (Sharmba Mitchell)!

Any real fan who was watching boxing back then remembers what really happened. Tszyu demanded a 60/40 split and priced himself out of a fight. Ironically Tszyu got blasted in his fight with Hatton, who afterwards went up to face Mayweather.

Originally Posted by Kilrain

He has also continued to avoid the CURRENT no. 1 welterweight in the world, Manny Pacquiao.

How is Manny Pacquiao the #1WW in the world? Every WW that Pacquiao has faced has been ranked 5th except for Cotto, who was ranked 4th. You don't become the #1 anything by fighting 4th and 5th ranked fighters .. no matter how many of them you fight. You sound like an idiot. Pacquiao hasn't face a top 3 fighter since Marquez in 2008. At least pretend like you watch boxing, dude.

Originally Posted by Kilrain

You take such glee in pointing out 'Pacquiao's best opposition was Marquez and we saw how those matches went', but by the same token we can say Floyd's best opposition was Castillo, in 2002, and 'we saw how that match went' (very dubious decision for Floyd).

How was Castillo better than other #1 ranked fighters? Hatton was undefeated when Mayweather gave him his first loss. Judah was #2. Baldomir was #1. Marquez was the #1 LW moving up to face Floyd. Mosley was #1. Ortiz was #2. What you're saying doesn't make sense. Floyd has consistently faced the #1 and #2 in every division aside from Tszyu. Pacquiao has avoided champions .. seeking vacant belts. He's also used catchweights to drain fighters and come in on fight night larger than them. There's proof if you want it.

Originally Posted by Kilrain

Your refusal to give credit to Pac for destroying Barrera, at the time one of the very top pound for pound fighters in the world, and Morales (twice) shows a blatant bias on your part.

LOL .. name the fighters that Barrera beat to become a so-called top P4P fighter. I dare you. Outside of Morales and Prince Hamed, who the fcuk did Barrera beat to make a claim to be considered among the best? Every single time Barrera stepped up to make a claim as the best, he failed unless he was facing Morales. Who did Barrera fight? Ayala? Juarez? Tapia? You must be joking. Barrera gave great fights, but hardly was an elite fighter. Just ask Junior Jones, Pacquiao or Marquez.

Originally Posted by Kilrain

Pacquiao's last 6 opponents were all coming off bad losses followed by a tune up?

That's the facts, Jack.

Originally Posted by Kilrain

I guess you'd count Clottey, a big, powerful welterweight former titlist, as a 'tune-up' for Cotto?

Clottey was coming off of a loss. Also Clottey has never beaten a top 3 WW in his life. He's lost every significant WW match he's ever had.

Originally Posted by Kilrain

I suppose you'd count Malignaggi as a 'tune up' for Hatton? (And Hatton looked the best he'd ever looked in that fight; only Mayweather acolytes and blatant Pacquiao haters would dispute this)

LOL .. Hatton himself said that was never the same after losing to Mayweather. It wasn't that Mayweather did so much physical damage that Hatton wasn't the same. It was that Mayweather TOTALLY destroyed Hatton's confidence, and therefore his will to perservere was destroyed. Hatton was saying it after the fight. He fired his trainer, hired Mayweather's father, and came in swinging for the fences against Pacquiao. Mayweather Sr and Hatton himself said that Hatton had COMPLETELY abandoned everything they had worked on to land a home run shot.

Originally Posted by Kilrain

Your bias is clear as day. It's pathetic.

Not as clear as your ignorance of the sport. I see that you have the enthusiasm to argue with and confront me, but just not the brains, the savvy or the information. You're no different that the peasants that i deal with here regularly. Its just that someone lied to you and told you that you can do whatever you put your mind to.

In life, just like in boxing, there is rank for a reason. And you will always be beneath me, petty fool. Reply if you must but your heart won't be in your words because deep inside you know that I am correct.

[tatangb45]

Originally Posted by Brother Jay

That's probably because you did read your own post, my man.



The only year that Floyd was not active since 1996 was 2008. Both Cotto and Margarito were destroyed following the one noteworthy each of them managed to obtain. We are talking in a matter of 8 months each fighter was beaten, had their title taken, and struggling to get back on their feet. Then, within 1-2 tune ups, they were defeated again by Pacquiao. Remember, Pacquiao only fights guys coming off losses.



Any real fan who was watching boxing back then remembers what really happened. Tszyu demanded a 60/40 split and priced himself out of a fight. Ironically Tszyu got blasted in his fight with Hatton, who afterwards went up to face Mayweather.



How is Manny Pacquiao the #1WW in the world? Every WW that Pacquiao has faced has been ranked 5th except for Cotto, who was ranked 4th. You don't become the #1 anything by fighting 4th and 5th ranked fighters .. no matter how many of them you fight. You sound like an idiot. Pacquiao hasn't face a top 3 fighter since Marquez in 2008. At least pretend like you watch boxing, dude.



How was Castillo better than other #1 ranked fighters? Hatton was undefeated when Mayweather gave him his first loss. Judah was #2. Baldomir was #1. Marquez was the #1 LW moving up to face Floyd. Mosley was #1. Ortiz was #2. What you're saying doesn't make sense. Floyd has consistently faced the #1 and #2 in every division aside from Tszyu. Pacquiao has avoided champions .. seeking vacant belts. He's also used catchweights to drain fighters and come in on fight night larger than them. There's proof if you want it.



LOL .. name the fighters that Barrera beat to become a so-called top P4P fighter. I dare you. Outside of Morales and Prince Hamed, who the fcuk did Barrera beat to make a claim to be considered among the best? Every single time Barrera stepped up to make a claim as the best, he failed unless he was facing Morales. Who did Barrera fight? Ayala? Juarez? Tapia? You must be joking. Barrera gave great fights, but hardly was an elite fighter. Just ask Junior Jones, Pacquiao or Marquez.



That's the facts, Jack.



Clottey was coming off of a loss. Also Clottey has never beaten a top 3 WW in his life. He's lost every significant WW match he's ever had.



LOL .. Hatton himself said that was never the same after losing to Mayweather. It wasn't that Mayweather did so much physical damage that Hatton wasn't the same. It was that Mayweather TOTALLY destroyed Hatton's confidence, and therefore his will to perservere was destroyed. Hatton was saying it after the fight. He fired his trainer, hired Mayweather's father, and came in swinging for the fences against Pacquiao. Mayweather Sr and Hatton himself said that Hatton had COMPLETELY abandoned everything they had worked on to land a home run shot.



Not as clear as your ignorance of the sport. I see that you have the enthusiasm to argue with and confront me, but just not the brains, the savvy or the information. You're no different that the peasants that i deal with here regularly. Its just that someone lied to you and told you that you can do whatever you put your mind to.

In life, just like in boxing, there is rank for a reason. And you will always be beneath me, petty fool. Reply if you must but your heart won't be in your words because deep inside you know that I am correct.

Floyd is scared of Manny. That's all you need to know. That's all there is to it.

[WesleySnipes]

wow Brother Jay you destroyed that dude badly...you are one bad muthafukah!

[Mannie Phresh]

Originally Posted by tatangb45

Floyd is scared of Manny. That's all you need to know. That's all there is to it.

i thought mannys scared of needles.

[megadeth]

Originally Posted by hugh grant

Pac passed every test ever, and people only accused him of being on PEDS because of his success in the ring. They didnt accuse him of it, because he refused a test, so people will think what they want to think about Pac regardless.
Pac does care what people think about him. It means a lot to Pac that people think he is so damn great he must be on PEDS. It is the highest compliment a boxer can get.

Floyd wont fight pac though, because he dont care people call him a chicken and duck. Just like when he was called a ducker against Cotto, he just retired.

Please post a link to where a legitimate offer was made to him during this time! HE made and offer to fight Cotto previously and it was declined. Do you call Cotto a "ducker". And Bob Arum says you are wrong as Floyd said he would face Margarito, Cotto & De La Hoya and Arum didn't except. So now please explain why Haters keep spewing this none sense when the guy that hates him most admits that he would've take those fights, but ARUM declined?

[Rolaz]

As a Boxing Fan I still wants that Fight of Pacman vs Pretty Boy to puish through next year!

“The Fight we want!”

Pretty Boy said:
I’m The Best!
The Best, The Best!
If you wanna fight me,
Take the Test, Take the Test, Take the Test!

Ah tell you what…
Pacman gonna take the Test!
Yeah, He’s gonna take the Test!
Arum and Pacman
Agreed to take the Test!

But see,,,
Weather changed,
Whether you like it or not,
Mayweather’s mind changed!

Say what?
I don’t need no Manny, Manny, Manny,
Manny Pacquiao!
Coz, I got a lots of Money, Money, MONEY!
“MONEY MAN”
That’s Me!
Ain’t no need Pacman!
I DON’T NEED PACQUIAO!


Come on man ,
You gotta fight Him
Come on,
It’s not about the Money, Money, MONEY!
It’s about
Who’s The BEST of The Best!

You gotta duck no more,
Excuses no more!
No more this , No more that!
Come on man,
Blow away,
Blow away, that bloated ego,
Ego, ego, ego,
Let’s Go, Go, Go!
It’s you turn
To Take the Test!
By fighting the “Fighter of the Decade”
Pacman!

FIGHT!
And the World will know
Who’s The BEST of the Best!
The BEST!
Fans wants the FIGHT!
Pretty Boy,
The slick African-American
Defensive genius vs.
Pacman!
And World Record Holder
of 8 Crowns!

Settle the issue
Inside the Ring, Inside the Ring
INSIDE THE RING!

Oh yeah!
We want that FIGHT!
The Fight, The Fight,
The FIGHT OF THE DECADE!
The fight we want!
Give us
The fight we want!
Oh Yeah!
Give the Fans
A fair shake!
Fair shake, fair shake, fair shake!
Oh Yeah,
Shake, shake, shake!
Shake it up!
Shake it Fair,
and Square!!!
Yo!


Want that FIGHT?
… Oh Yeah!
Thanks, and God bless!!!

[megadeth]

Originally Posted by letsgobrady

because looking bad doesn't get you a fight with floyd it gets you a fight with pacquiao as we can see.team pacquiao didn't want anything to do with sergio before now we got freddie roach saying that sergio looked like garbage in his last fight and we will fight him at 150

And this has happened too many time for it to be coincidence.
Roach trained ODH and said he already knew that he could not pull the trigger anymore. Hence, he convinced Pac that he could win that fight and they took it.
He said Cotto didn't look the same, they fought him instead of Mosley. They said Hatton didn't look the same after Mayweather, they fought him. Then Margarito, who earlier Roach had said " we aren't stupid" when asked about fighting him. Then Mosley after he looks bad against Mayweather and Mora and they wouldn't fight when he was the #1 WW, unless at 140-141 . Now its Marquez whom Roach even said after the last fight, they are done with Marquez. Now that he is further past him prime and far above his natural weight, now they are ready for revenge. And NO pac fans see a pattern here? COME ON!!!!

Can't any Pac fan(not boxing fan, PAC FAN) be objective and call this stuff what it is? Cherry picking 1/2 shot, shot, weight drained or older fighter?

Pac is a GREAT FIGHTER...period! But you guys cosigning on these fights trying to make him look even greater just sh*ts on who he could possibly be as a fighter if you were to challenge him on these fights!

[hugh grant]

Originally Posted by Brother Jay

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Cotto won 1 fight against Mosley that put him into the top 3, then lost 6 months later. Same with Margarito. He won against Cotto and then got KO'd 8 months later.

Floyd beat every #1 ranked in every division WHILE THEY WERE STILL RANKED #1! Tszyu being the only exception. When Floyd faced SSM, Shane was the #1WW after having knocked out Margarito who beat Cotto bloody. Shane was coming off of a huge win and had actually earned his #1 spot.

Pacquiao fought Barrera and Morales ... lost to Morales. Then dodges the man who had just beaten Morales: Zahir Raheem. Pacquiao has NOT faced a first, second or third ranked boxer since 2008 when he fought Marquez.

There is no way he's a top boxer by fighting 5th ranked fighters. That's just the way it is. You don't jump to #1 by fighting 5th ranked boxers ... no matter how many 5th ranked fighters you face.

Ha, ha big deal SSM beat Margarito. Margarito was smashed from pillar to post by Cotto so SSM beat a shop worn Margarito. Margartio beat Cotto but at what cost? Cotto was winning that fight until very late into the fight. So SSM wasnt some kind of God for beating margarito he was still the man who lost to Cotto, the one Pac beat and the one Floyd wanted none of.

Yes, so what if Floyd beats weak champs in divisions? When faced with strong champs in divisions he didnt want none of it did he unless they were old like SSM with 5 losses under their belt?

Yes, Pac fought and beat Morales and Barrera, so when is floyd going to fight men of this calibre without expecting a bravery award for it?

You are retarded if you say Pac isnt a top boxer....he is FOTD. You are motivated by hate of Pac. Being as small as he is and beating boxing superstars like Cotto, hatton without ref help and DLH. You make out anyone can do this, so why didnt your average joe ever do it? Why didnt floyd fight Cotto and Margarito? I dont know why he didnt and really thats neither here nor there, but im telling you this floyd will never get as much credit for not fighting them, as Pac will get for fighting them. Thats just the way it is baby.

[trevaris]

if people don't agree it doesn't mean their a hater smh...if you wear nike shoes but I don't like the style that doesn't mean im hating on you I just don't agree you don't always have to rant and throw a fit because someone don't agree with the way pacman is beating people it's makes you look like a ***** when you reply with you are gay and hating cause manny is a small guy smh