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Old 10-25-2011, 07:30 PM
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What really matters in boxing: the quality of their boxing skills, and the beauty of their fights.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:34 PM
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What puts Oscar and Tito over him?
You see, Hopkins is a counterpuncher who calls himself an aggressor.

Of course he has skills, damn he's a world champion... But he is not an out-fighter as he calls himself, he's just a pressure-fighter who likes to hold on the inside and that makes his fight annoying and ugly to watch.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:36 PM
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don't ever watch any oldschool boxing. You'll be shocked at how many guys made hopkins look like a Saint
Alright, so you're cynical. Poop.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:39 PM
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His wins are better than their wins,his accomplishments are better than theirs,add that to the fact he ko'd both of them
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:42 PM
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You see, Hopkins is a counterpuncher who calls himself an aggressor.

Of course he has skills, damn he's a world champion... But he is not an out-fighter as he calls himself, he's just a pressure-fighter who likes to hold on the inside and that makes his fight annoying and ugly to watch.
he's been a pressure fighter and he's been a counter-puncher/defensive wizard. Especially early in his career he was a seek & destroy type of fighter. He evolved over the years to be more of a defensive fighter, especially as he aged.

Against Pascal he was the aggressor though, so he obviously doesn't fight every fight the same way. He looks to exploit his opponents weakness and use that against him. Against pavlik for example his best weapon was his 1-2 combination, once hopkins took that away from him pavlik had nothing. Pascal's weakness was his stamina/low work-rate so he knew he had to be aggressive and out work him.

He's a very smart fighter that deserves his respect. Not too many fighters have the ring IQ of hopkins. Floyd and a couple others and that's it really.
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Old 10-25-2011, 07:44 PM
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Old 10-25-2011, 10:07 PM
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he's been a pressure fighter and he's been a counter-puncher/defensive wizard. Especially early in his career he was a seek & destroy type of fighter. He evolved over the years to be more of a defensive fighter, especially as he aged.

Against Pascal he was the aggressor though, so he obviously doesn't fight every fight the same way. He looks to exploit his opponents weakness and use that against him. Against pavlik for example his best weapon was his 1-2 combination, once hopkins took that away from him pavlik had nothing. Pascal's weakness was his stamina/low work-rate so he knew he had to be aggressive and out work him.

He's a very smart fighter that deserves his respect. Not too many fighters have the ring IQ of hopkins. Floyd and a couple others and that's it really.
What's really amazing about Hopkins is the story of his life: he started boxing in prison in his 20's and slowly made it to the top. He was everything but the overprotected champion/golden boy, and I respect him greatly for that achievement. He has a tremendous will and focus... Which makes him fight at the top level even at 46 years old... That's what makes him unique.

He's wise, never took a severe beating, but much of his defensive skill-theory is pumped up: he just clinches, pushes and charges, lifts his opponent with the shoulder to make him lose his balance, holds a lot on the inside trying to wear the opponent down, headbutts a lot... He's similar to Andre Ward, another boxer I truly dislike.

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His wins are better than their wins,his accomplishments are better than theirs,add that to the fact he ko'd both of them
So the fact that Jermain Taylor beat him twice, makes Jermain Taylor a better fighter than Hopkins.
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This has to be some bad joke so im out.
Don't worry it's not a bad joke... You just lack the basis to argue on.
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He did school Glen Johnson, William Joppy, Tito Trinidad, Antonio Tarver, Kelly Pavlik and Jean Pascal with no dirty tactics, and you can't watch any of those fights and say he didn't win fair and square.

But when he does his WWE-style acting and dirty fighting, they make him look really bad. Like against Allen[acting] Winky[dirty fighting], Calzaghe[acting], Jones II[acting], and Dawson[acting].

You gotta love him and hate him. He went from giving a loveable performance against Pascal, to a possible Oscar winning role in the movie "Believe It Or Not" co-starring Chad Dawson. It would be a shame if he doesn't win an Oscar for best actor for that role. I mean getting nominated is already a success, but if he doesn't win it, it'll be a robbery.
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