Bookmark Website  | Free Registration  | The Team
Boxing Champions |  Boxing Schedule |  Boxing Video  |  Boxing History   |  Pound For Pound  | Lounge  | The Wire |  Audio  | Arcade
Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Non Stop Boxing
Reply
Thread Navigation

#11
Old 10-21-2011, 09:23 PM
Spoon23
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,693
Rep Power: 15 Spoon23 has a reputation beyond reputeSpoon23 has a reputation beyond reputeSpoon23 has a reputation beyond reputeSpoon23 has a reputation beyond reputeSpoon23 has a reputation beyond reputeSpoon23 has a reputation beyond reputeSpoon23 has a reputation beyond reputeSpoon23 has a reputation beyond reputeSpoon23 has a reputation beyond reputeSpoon23 has a reputation beyond reputeSpoon23 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 451,980.06
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 451,980.06
to help freshen up on your comprehension - I'm so sorry finally using the correct "You're" instead of "Your" - I'm so sorry for you my young padawan. Cheers - Spoon23 i eat 23 pactards with  Spoon on a daily basisLELELELEL - Primera keep riding pacs d1ck - Mannie Phresh 
cuz you obviously like me. - Mannie Phresh 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThunderWolf View Post


David Mayo
The Grand Rapids Press
October 21, 2011




Why isn’t the pay-per-view king waving his scepter?

More than a month after the Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz welterweight title fight, key figures remain mum on pay-per-view numbers.

Amid growing rumors of lukewarm sales, there has been nary a word from HBO, Golden Boy Promotions or Mayweather Promotions to hint how the fight did on live television.

There was concern after the unsatisfactory conclusion that Mayweather-Ortiz was one of many fights which, taken together, have damaged the pay-per-view boxing industry.

When you pay $50-plus for a fight, you don’t expect to see to see the winner taking conclusive advantage of the loser’s refusal to defend himself, which happened when Ortiz invited Mayweather to clock him. You don’t expect Mike Tyson to bite a chunk out of Evander Holyfield’s ear. Or to see Chad Dawson body-slam Bernard Hopkins and win the light heavyweight championship on a foul-induced injury only the referee seemed oblivious to, which happened last weekend.

That’s two pay-per-views in a row that left the relatively small group of domestic buyers wondering why it keeps paying.

As for Mayweather-Ortiz, there’s an upside, in that fewer people might have bought it than promoters predicted.

There’s only one logical reason why the various television and promotional factions have not announced anything regarding Mayweather-Ortiz sales: They don’t like the results.

Typically, within a week of a pay-per-view fight that does boastful numbers, HBO and the promoter simultaneously release the estimated domestic sales and gross revenues.

Saturday will mark five weeks since the Sept. 17 fight, and nary a peep from anyone.

No one is obligated to announce pay-per-view sales, and HBO wouldn’t make such disclosure without promotional approval. Promoters aren’t public corporations. They aren’t obliged to share much of anything about their income.

They do it to show their event was big. And the next one will be bigger. Keep the circus going.

And when they don’t make any disclosure at all, it’s a fairly safe guess as to why.

One exception: Promoters must disclose live ticket sales, because the Nevada Athletic Commission is a state agency which requires full accounting and those figures become public record. Mayweather-Ortiz did $9 million in live ticket sales, a disappointing number, and VIP gamblers were courted with complimentary ticket offers on the day of the fight. Strong or weak, live ticket sales and pay-per-view sales usually are reflective of each other.

There was a day when Mayweather fights selling in the 400,000 range domestically, for pay-per-view revenues in the $17 million to $20 million range, were viewed as great successes.

But the barometer shifted wildly in 2007, when Mayweather’s win against Oscar De La Hoya shattered records with 2.44 million domestic buys, worth $137 million in gross sales.



Mayweather’s next three fights averaged more than 1 million domestic buys, a figure only a select few fighters have generated even once, including De La Hoya, Tyson, Holyfield, and Mayweather’s archrival, Manny Pacquiao.

But pay-per-view is an utterly unpredictable industry because 98 percent of purchases come within 24 hours of the event.

Perhaps buyers were more discerning on fight night than anyone believed. They didn’t know Ortiz, so they didn’t buy.

More problematic for Mayweather, maybe they knew Ortiz wasn’t Pacquiao -- the only fight really worth buying -- and this was the resulting backlash.

Let this serve as reminder that promoters never really know what they have, they only guess. When Mayweather-De La Hoya came in at 2.44 million -- the next-biggest seller ever, at 1.99 million, was Tyson-Holyfield II, the bite fight -- the key parties were as stunned as anyone.

This time, they may have been stunned in the opposite direction.

There are rumors that Mayweather-Ortiz did in the 800,000-900,000 range, which would be a tremendous seller if not for the pre-fight prediction by Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, that the fight would exceed 1.5 million. Ortiz brought no name recognition. Mayweather-Ricky Hatton in 2007 sold at about the same rate. And De La Hoya, the biggest seller ever, hit 1 million in domestic buys only four times in 19 pay-per-view fights, against Felix Trinidad, Hopkins, Mayweather and Pacquiao.

Put those last two names in the ring together, and you’ll have pay-per-view numbers worth crowing about.

As for now, we aren’t hearing anything about Mayweather-Ortiz because the throne is up for grabs and Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez III, three weeks away, could do big numbers.

Above all, no one man can dominate the pay-per-view realm alone without fighting the best available opponent. That’s a lesson both Mayweather and Pacquiao must grasp. Until then, the throne is vacant.
This must be closest assessment of them all. This articled is coming from Grand Rapids, and the writer is a known Floyd rider and he is telling it how it is. The ppv did low numbers. Must be the closest assessment. If Pac goes 1m up with Marquez he is the cash cow
Reply With Quote
Spoon23 is offline
#12
Old 10-21-2011, 09:57 PM
Simply Zyzz
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,028
Rep Power: 0 Simply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these partsSimply Zyzz is infamous around these parts
Points: 115,919.12
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 115,919.12
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThunderWolf View Post


David Mayo
The Grand Rapids Press
October 21, 2011




Why isn’t the pay-per-view king waving his scepter?

More than a month after the Floyd Mayweather-Victor Ortiz welterweight title fight, key figures remain mum on pay-per-view numbers.

Amid growing rumors of lukewarm sales, there has been nary a word from HBO, Golden Boy Promotions or Mayweather Promotions to hint how the fight did on live television.

There was concern after the unsatisfactory conclusion that Mayweather-Ortiz was one of many fights which, taken together, have damaged the pay-per-view boxing industry.

When you pay $50-plus for a fight, you don’t expect to see to see the winner taking conclusive advantage of the loser’s refusal to defend himself, which happened when Ortiz invited Mayweather to clock him. You don’t expect Mike Tyson to bite a chunk out of Evander Holyfield’s ear. Or to see Chad Dawson body-slam Bernard Hopkins and win the light heavyweight championship on a foul-induced injury only the referee seemed oblivious to, which happened last weekend.

That’s two pay-per-views in a row that left the relatively small group of domestic buyers wondering why it keeps paying.

As for Mayweather-Ortiz, there’s an upside, in that fewer people might have bought it than promoters predicted.

There’s only one logical reason why the various television and promotional factions have not announced anything regarding Mayweather-Ortiz sales: They don’t like the results.

Typically, within a week of a pay-per-view fight that does boastful numbers, HBO and the promoter simultaneously release the estimated domestic sales and gross revenues.

Saturday will mark five weeks since the Sept. 17 fight, and nary a peep from anyone.

No one is obligated to announce pay-per-view sales, and HBO wouldn’t make such disclosure without promotional approval. Promoters aren’t public corporations. They aren’t obliged to share much of anything about their income.

They do it to show their event was big. And the next one will be bigger. Keep the circus going.

And when they don’t make any disclosure at all, it’s a fairly safe guess as to why.

One exception: Promoters must disclose live ticket sales, because the Nevada Athletic Commission is a state agency which requires full accounting and those figures become public record. Mayweather-Ortiz did $9 million in live ticket sales, a disappointing number, and VIP gamblers were courted with complimentary ticket offers on the day of the fight. Strong or weak, live ticket sales and pay-per-view sales usually are reflective of each other.

There was a day when Mayweather fights selling in the 400,000 range domestically, for pay-per-view revenues in the $17 million to $20 million range, were viewed as great successes.

But the barometer shifted wildly in 2007, when Mayweather’s win against Oscar De La Hoya shattered records with 2.44 million domestic buys, worth $137 million in gross sales.



Mayweather’s next three fights averaged more than 1 million domestic buys, a figure only a select few fighters have generated even once, including De La Hoya, Tyson, Holyfield, and Mayweather’s archrival, Manny Pacquiao.

But pay-per-view is an utterly unpredictable industry because 98 percent of purchases come within 24 hours of the event.

Perhaps buyers were more discerning on fight night than anyone believed. They didn’t know Ortiz, so they didn’t buy.

More problematic for Mayweather, maybe they knew Ortiz wasn’t Pacquiao -- the only fight really worth buying -- and this was the resulting backlash.

Let this serve as reminder that promoters never really know what they have, they only guess. When Mayweather-De La Hoya came in at 2.44 million -- the next-biggest seller ever, at 1.99 million, was Tyson-Holyfield II, the bite fight -- the key parties were as stunned as anyone.

This time, they may have been stunned in the opposite direction.

There are rumors that Mayweather-Ortiz did in the 800,000-900,000 range, which would be a tremendous seller if not for the pre-fight prediction by Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, that the fight would exceed 1.5 million. Ortiz brought no name recognition. Mayweather-Ricky Hatton in 2007 sold at about the same rate. And De La Hoya, the biggest seller ever, hit 1 million in domestic buys only four times in 19 pay-per-view fights, against Felix Trinidad, Hopkins, Mayweather and Pacquiao.

Put those last two names in the ring together, and you’ll have pay-per-view numbers worth crowing about.

As for now, we aren’t hearing anything about Mayweather-Ortiz because the throne is up for grabs and Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez III, three weeks away, could do big numbers.

Above all, no one man can dominate the pay-per-view realm alone without fighting the best available opponent. That’s a lesson both Mayweather and Pacquiao must grasp. Until then, the throne is vacant.
Reply With Quote
Simply Zyzz is offline
#13
Old 10-21-2011, 10:22 PM
LeeVanCleef
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,360
Rep Power: 25 LeeVanCleef has a reputation beyond reputeLeeVanCleef has a reputation beyond reputeLeeVanCleef has a reputation beyond reputeLeeVanCleef has a reputation beyond reputeLeeVanCleef has a reputation beyond reputeLeeVanCleef has a reputation beyond reputeLeeVanCleef has a reputation beyond reputeLeeVanCleef has a reputation beyond reputeLeeVanCleef has a reputation beyond reputeLeeVanCleef has a reputation beyond reputeLeeVanCleef has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 2,032,882.58
Bank: 488,645,904,105.29
Total Points: 488,647,936,987.87
have some san miguel - Akinapepemo pakalasing ka muna - Akinapepemo dapat may inuman sa birthday - Makavelli Happy B-day pre :) - peyk-peyk parallelogram sa inyo - Jack Napier 
A superman for the superman homie, take care you smart mothafukker - Tha_Greatest dahil pareho tayong pogi - BABYBOXER cheers! - led threepeat!!!!!!! - Left Hook Tua tagay muna! - led 
hope you get drunk :) - led cheers!!! - BABYBOXER enjoy - project xxx1 blue parallelogram pre! - Chadmack No Message - Tha_Greatest 
No Message - Tha_Greatest magiting na pinoy.. - BABYBOXER magiting na pinoy.. - BABYBOXER Happy holidays bro! - led* 
Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - Akinapepemo Graves Disease - Lymphedema - Men's Health - Pro Choice - Prostate Cancer - Scleroderma - Thyroid Disease - Trisomy 18 - project xxx1 Alzheimer's - Crohn's & Colitis - Cystic Fibrosis - Domestic Violence - Fibromyalgia - Leimyosarcoma - Lupus - Left Hook Tua Childhood Cancer - Left Hook Tua Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - MARKBNLV 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Simply Zyzz View Post
Of course you did, alt
Reply With Quote
LeeVanCleef is offline
#14
Old 10-22-2011, 12:47 AM
Devils Advocate
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Seattle
Posts: 4,786
Rep Power: 15 Devils Advocate has a reputation beyond reputeDevils Advocate has a reputation beyond reputeDevils Advocate has a reputation beyond reputeDevils Advocate has a reputation beyond reputeDevils Advocate has a reputation beyond reputeDevils Advocate has a reputation beyond reputeDevils Advocate has a reputation beyond reputeDevils Advocate has a reputation beyond reputeDevils Advocate has a reputation beyond reputeDevils Advocate has a reputation beyond reputeDevils Advocate has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 335,027,790.90
Bank: 8,657,251,269.65
Total Points: 8,992,279,060.55
thanks for the stream - Spray_resistant No Message - Devils Advocate 
Bone Marrow Donation - Childhood Depression - Depression - Environment - Eye Injury Prevention - Glaucoma - Kidney Cancer - Kidney Disease - Kidney Transplantation - Leukemia - Lyme Disease - Mental Retardation - Missing Children - Organ Donation - T - Devils Advocate World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - Devils Advocate 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slyboots View Post
Can't the IRS just see what the PPV numbers and earnings were? It just seems weird that it is publicly known that Floyd is withholding the numbers to circumvent the IRS. You would think that the IRS would legally have access to these numbers. The tax issue smells like BS to me.
HBO isn't stupid enough to hide anything from the IRS for Floyd, that by far has been the worst rumor. Ortiz proved to be the Clottey for Mayweather.
Reply With Quote
Devils Advocate is offline
#15
Old 10-22-2011, 12:59 AM
Money Team.
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Getting Money
Posts: 27,558
Rep Power: 188 Money Team. has a reputation beyond reputeMoney Team. has a reputation beyond reputeMoney Team. has a reputation beyond reputeMoney Team. has a reputation beyond reputeMoney Team. has a reputation beyond reputeMoney Team. has a reputation beyond reputeMoney Team. has a reputation beyond reputeMoney Team. has a reputation beyond reputeMoney Team. has a reputation beyond reputeMoney Team. has a reputation beyond reputeMoney Team. has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 570,000,351,710.49
Bank: 69,713,196,433,735.91
Total Points: 70,283,196,785,446.40
Forgot to give u a beer for your bday but this coffee should do some justice today, happy bday bruh! - jose830 here you go man :) - thedarkness You kick ass - Kevin Malone chill out with the rascism accusations but happy thanksgiving either way - Tha_Greatest mmmm your favorite! - YDKSAB 
Pacquiao vs Marquez IV! - Check_hooks Happy holidays bro! - led* Merry Christmas Larry. I hope you and your family have a great one. - deanrw stick it up your ass f*ggot - Pretty Boy32 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year - Freedom. 
Thanks, Dont get too drunk - Medved No beer left man :( Happy X-mas Larry! - dan_cov Merry Christmas brotha! and thanks! :beerchug: - jose830 Merry Christmas Larry - -Kev- Think about me - lanigav 
Happy New Year Bro, from #TMT - JonoYoungP4P this'll help u feel better - happyman One of the few that actually has Common Sense - blacraven great post othe valentines thread,i already greened you and couldn't do so again - HUGH JASS thanx for the donation - E.P.T. 
Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - project xxx1 Childhood Cancer - project xxx1 Male Breast Cancer - Pregnancy Loss - Infant Loss - Sudden Infant Death - project xxx1 Children with Disabilities - Parkinson's Disease - VACTERL - Young Onset Parkinson's Association - New England Troop and Military Support - Amber Alert - Bladder Cancer - Endometriosis - Equality - Liver Cancer - Liver Disease - Missing Children - POW/MIA - Spina Bifida - Suicide - jjbj2 
Gay and Lesbian Pride - Freedom. Gay and Lesbian Pride - Freedom. Bone Marrow Donation - Childhood Depression - Depression - Environment - Eye Injury Prevention - Glaucoma - Kidney Cancer - Kidney Disease - Kidney Transplantation - Leukemia - Lyme Disease - Mental Retardation - Missing Children - Organ Donation - T - codey Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - codey 
Default

Reply With Quote
Money Team. is offline
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
floyd's, grim, ortiz, pay-per-view, silence, story, tells, victor, victory

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Privacy Policy - Submit News - Feedback - Site Map - Advertise with Us

Copyright © 2003-2013 BoxingScene LLC All rights reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:31 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Message Board Statistics
Ad Management plugin by RedTyger