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Old 11-07-2011, 01:25 AM
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Ali's own management said watching him vs. Ellis they thought he was beyond shot. He was destroyed by Foreman before the second fight. If Martinez ruined Pwill...imagine what 6 knockdowns in 2 rounds did to Frazier. Psychologically and physically he was ruint. He only won 3 fights after Foreman. He squeeked by Bugner, beat a 197 pound quarry and in the Ellis rematch Ali's own team said he looked completely shot. So why do people act like it was a big accomplishment. If Martinez fought Pwill right now people would complain and if it was a close fight people would call Martinez out. Its 10x less of an accomplishment as Pac beating Marquez because at least Marquez has looked half decent and wasnt knocked down 6 times in 2 rounds and beaten mercilessly. So I dont get it. If Hopkins beat Jones Jr. again does that prove anything? For some reason Ali gets different rules when it comes to legacies than everyone else.
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Old 11-07-2011, 01:26 AM
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Old 11-07-2011, 01:48 AM
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Frazier didn't fight like a shot fighter at all that night

but Ali is Ali. he tends to get pleasantly remembered. people like to act like he wasn't public enemy #1 during his prime and had racist jokes/punchlines for white boys too
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Old 11-07-2011, 01:54 AM
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Frazier didn't fight like a shot fighter at all that night

but Ali is Ali. he tends to get pleasantly remembered. people like to act like he wasn't public enemy #1 during his prime and had racist jokes/punchlines for white boys too
just watched this earlier today:
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:10 AM
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He was destroyed by Foreman before the second fight. If Martinez ruined Pwill...imagine what 6 knockdowns in 2 rounds did to Frazier.
I don't think he took enough punishment against Foreman for it to really effect him. The fight didn't go long enough and Joe went down when he got hit. Its the fighters that can take the punches and continue to get hit over a long fight that are really effected. I think Joe would have been KO'd quick against Foreman in their second fight if he was really that shot. And as for being too short, I think Joe made his height work for him just like Tyson did. If Joe was a pure boxer, it would be a different story.
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:12 AM
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:16 AM
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Joe wasn't shot..........he fought like a true champ that night.
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:27 AM
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Joe wasn't shot..........he fought like a true champ that night.
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Uhh Ali's own management said they chose Frazier for the 3rd fight because he was shot. And if you dont think getting abused in 2 rounds and suffering your first loss hurts you....Frazier won 3 fights after his first loss. 3. One he squeeked by, the other two he looked bad. So Ali made him look good. Guess what, Ali made part time boxer, full time police officer/vagrant Chuck Wepner look good. He made Young, and Shavers look good. PWill is shot because of one punch according to most on here. But Frazier wasnt? What big win did he have after Foreman destroyed him? When Frazier was prime he beat Ali. Ali beating him the2nd and 3rd fight was like Maidana beating Morales. Sure Morales put on a good show, but it wasnt the same as a prime Morales.
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Ali's own management said watching him vs. Ellis they thought he was beyond shot. He was destroyed by Foreman before the second fight. If Martinez ruined Pwill...imagine what 6 knockdowns in 2 rounds did to Frazier. Psychologically and physically he was ruint. He only won 3 fights after Foreman. He squeeked by Bugner, beat a 197 pound quarry and in the Ellis rematch Ali's own team said he looked completely shot. So why do people act like it was a big accomplishment. If Martinez fought Pwill right now people would complain and if it was a close fight people would call Martinez out. Its 10x less of an accomplishment as Pac beating Marquez because at least Marquez has looked half decent and wasnt knocked down 6 times in 2 rounds and beaten mercilessly. So I dont get it. If Hopkins beat Jones Jr. again does that prove anything? For some reason Ali gets different rules when it comes to legacies than everyone else.
Don't lose track of the REAL fact that the name"The greatest" was what he called HIMSELF, and at that time and for a long time after, no one else did. It just became a public habit. Ali had some very bad boxing habits, and all the experts put themselves ON RECORD, many times of saying that when his speed would dimminish, he would really get hurt.

And that's exactly what happened.
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Old 11-07-2011, 03:20 AM
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WHAT?! Ali retired undefeated 106-0
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