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View Poll Results: Which is/was the worse Heavyweight age?
2004-2011 33 84.62%
1978-1985 2 5.13%
1955-1960 3 7.69%
Hard to decide. 1 2.56%
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There has been no good American heavyweights, only the 2 Klitschko brothers. David Haye came along in 2010 but he was all.

We all know who the Klitschko's are going to face next and we all know they are going to beat them, proceeding cautiously, using the jab and more than likely getting a unspectacular late stoppage. People say the early 80's was bad, which it was, but I don't think it was as bad as this age.

Ali was there until 1978, Norton until 1980, Holmes until 1985. But though when Holmes winning all the time was similar to the Klitschko's, from 1978-1985 (when Holmes reigned) was only 7 years. Tyson hit the scene then. We waited 8 years for Wladimir Klitschko VS David Haye, which was the biggest Heavyweight fight by far since Lewis-Klitschko. I don't think we are going to get another Tyson coming anytime soon, cleaning out the division.

IMO this is the worst age in history for heavyweight boxing. What do you guys think?
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There has been no good American heavyweights, only the 2 Klitschko brothers. David Haye came along in 2010 but he was all.

We all know who the Klitschko's are going to face next and we all know they are going to beat them, proceeding cautiously, using the jab and more than likely getting a unspectacular late stoppage. People say the early 80's was bad, which it was, but I don't think it was as bad as this age.

Ali was there until 1978, Norton until 1980, Holmes until 1985. But though when Holmes winning all the time was similar to the Klitschko's, from 1978-1985 (when Holmes reigned) was only 7 years. Tyson hit the scene then. We waited 8 years for Wladimir Klitschko VS David Haye, which was the biggest Heavyweight fight by far since Lewis-Klitschko. I don't think we are going to get another Tyson coming anytime soon, cleaning out the division.

IMO this is the worst age in history for heavyweight boxing. What do you guys think?

This is the worst in my opinion, followed by the years....
1928 to 1935
1978 to 1985
1955 to 1963
1915 to 1928
1937 to 1945
1985 to 1992
1903 to 1908
1937 to 1945
1963 to 1970
1899 to 1905
1908 to 1915
1993 to 2003
1970 to 1978

Anything before 1899 I simply don't want to speculate on and I reserve the right to change my opinion at any time. But right now as a quick list and not going over everything in detail this is how I see the heavyweight divisions rankings. I know some era's are shorter than others and There are some years left out and some years overlap. Don't ask me to explain that other than thats just the way my mind works.

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Old 10-11-2011, 06:34 AM
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It is NOT the worst. The problem is that there's 2 brothers on top who's far and away superiour to everybody else, but at least there's 2 great fighters and those 2 would be competitive in any era. So the problem is that the 2 top fighters will never fight each other (Which is understandable).

I think the era after Dempsey/Tunney (30'ies) was worse as was the era after Ali and possibly also the later and post Marciano era.
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It is NOT the worst. The problem is that there's 2 brothers on top who's far and away superiour to everybody else, but at least there's 2 great fighters and those 2 would be competitive in any era. So the problem is that the 2 top fighters will never fight each other (Which is understandable).

I think the era after Dempsey/Tunney (30'ies) was worse as was the era after Ali and possibly also the later and post Marciano era.



a terrific point that cannot be overstated

who is to say the klitschko brothers (were they not brothers, of course) wouldnt have some terrific fights against eachother.


i will say this, the top ten is weak and the journeymen and fringe contenders are all out of shape, which is a relatively new phenomenon



and also i think we can all agree that american talented big men don't box anymore, and that's not likely to change any time soon

sure, we might get lucky and have a len bias type talent born next to a boxing gym, but he's likely to play basketball or football or even hockey and baseball and get recruited to play high level collegiately or even get drafted to a pro team as a youth
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85-90 was the worst IMO. At least the early 80s had Holmes.
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The heavyweight division was FAR FAR worse circa 1982 then it is right now there is no way anybody who isn't biased can say otherwise
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It is NOT the worst. The problem is that there's 2 brothers on top who's far and away superiour to everybody else, but at least there's 2 great fighters and those 2 would be competitive in any era. So the problem is that the 2 top fighters will never fight each other (Which is understandable).

I think the era after Dempsey/Tunney (30'ies) was worse as was the era after Ali and possibly also the later and post Marciano era.
What's the bracket for that?
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There has been no good American heavyweights, only the 2 Klitschko brothers. David Haye came along in 2010 but he was all.

We all know who the Klitschko's are going to face next and we all know they are going to beat them, proceeding cautiously, using the jab and more than likely getting a unspectacular late stoppage. People say the early 80's was bad, which it was, but I don't think it was as bad as this age.

Ali was there until 1978, Norton until 1980, Holmes until 1985. But though when Holmes winning all the time was similar to the Klitschko's, from 1978-1985 (when Holmes reigned) was only 7 years. Tyson hit the scene then. We waited 8 years for Wladimir Klitschko VS David Haye, which was the biggest Heavyweight fight by far since Lewis-Klitschko. I don't think we are going to get another Tyson coming anytime soon, cleaning out the division.

IMO this is the worst age in history for heavyweight boxing. What do you guys think?
Easily the worst. It actually makes the fat coke heads of the '80s look semi-competent and the '80s were (now) the second worst era for Heavies. Only biased Klitlickers think otherwise. David Haye the best contender of this era? Please. Haye loses to Tucker, Thomas, Witherspoon, Dokes, and probably Page too.

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I'll take Haye Adamek Chambers Povetkin and Dimetrenko over Weatherspoon, Dokes and freaking Gerrie Coetzee every day of the week.

Of course 2 great fighters(Wlad and Vitali) > 1 great fighter(Holmes)
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This is the worst in my opinion, followed by the years....
1928 to 1935
1978 to 1985
1955 to 1963
1915 to 1928
1937 to 1945
1903 to 1908
1985 to 1992
1963 to 1970
1899 to 1905
1908 to 1915
1993 to 2003
1970 to 1978

Anything before 1899 I simply don't want to speculate on and I reserve the right to change my opinion at any time. But right now as a quick list and not going over everything in detail this is how I see the heavyweight divisions rankings. I know some era's are shorter than others and There are some years left out and some years overlap. Don't ask me to explain that other than thats just the way my mind works.
I will never have the "1937 to 1945" era that high on the worst list. IMO it was equal to some eras you listed below.
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