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Old 09-30-2011, 12:40 AM
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Floyd Jr. can't "underrate" it, because Floyd Jr. can deal with it easily,
on a punch-by-punch, or combo-by-combo basis of reckoning.

IMO, Manny's workrate and stamina, and not any signature punches,
are what ought to concern Floyd. He may know what to do to beat
Pac on an exchange-by-exchange basis, but sustaining the effort for
10+ rounds while still mounting a credible offense might be an issue.

Of course, I am generalizing to keep this short.
JM2
Manny's right hook is becoming quite "signature".

Manny's work rate/speed at lower weights was 2x more than the present Pacquiao, and yet Marquez was able to overcome that because he was what Floyd currently is: Smart, amazing counter-puncher.
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:41 AM
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The counter right hook by Pac against Marg couldn't have been any better.

Floyd goes down on that same punch.
Pac's counter right hooks were fine esp. against Marg but were talking of Floyd here

he won't be that stupid for being tagged by same technique the rest of the fight

Pac should work the body or make Floyd turn around regularly to confuse his timing
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:42 AM
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Floyd Jr. can't "underrate" it, because Floyd Jr. can deal with it easily,
on a punch-by-punch, or combo-by-combo basis of reckoning.

IMO, Manny's workrate and stamina, and not any signature punches,
are what ought to concern Floyd. He may know what to do to beat
Pac on an exchange-by-exchange basis, but sustaining the effort for
10+ rounds while still mounting a credible offense might be an issue.


Of course, I am generalizing to keep this short.
JM2
Where was that workrate in the fights against Marquez? He didn't get over 650 in either fight if I am not mistake. Why? Because Pac can't deal with a smart counter puncher. If Marquez can do it, Floyd can do it twice as good and as easy. At the bare minimum, Floyd can fight him as Marquez did in both fights and do a better job at it. And, Floyd's stamina is just as good as Manny's.
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:46 AM
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Pac's counter right hooks were fine esp. against Marg but were talking of Floyd here

he won't be that stupid for being tagged by same technique the rest of the fight

Pac should work the body or make Floyd turn around regularly to confuse his timing
I'm not saying he'll constantly get tagged when he tries to straight right.

It'll only take a few good right hooks like that will make Floyd think twice next time he considers throwing it again.

I think its fantastic Floyd fighting close up. Great for fans.

Also great for Manny because he's is deffff not beating Floyd if he decides to go on his bicycle.

If Floyd tries to match punch for punch w/ Pac in the middle its game over.

Floyd is smart so he won't do that, but at some point in the match I think he will.
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:47 AM
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Why did u bother posting this nonsense. So Margarito's handspeed compares to FMJ now? Whether u like it or not, Pac will be there to hit, just like he always is. Floyd is elusive and hard to hit, Pac on the other hand, is not!
floyd is not as hard to hit when he is fighting southpaws...just so you know!
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:50 AM
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Where was that workrate in the fights against Marquez? He didn't get over 650 in either fight if I am not mistake. Why? Because Pac can't deal with a smart counter puncher. If Marquez can do it, Floyd can do it twice as good and as easy. At the bare minimum, Floyd can fight him as Marquez did in both fights and do a better job at it. And, Floyd's stamina is just as good as Manny's.
Floyd's hasn't been pushed to that limit to tell us he has better/equal stamina to Manny. I think at this very moment Manny takes it as far as endurance goes no doubt in my mind.

Good point on JMM though, but that was a different Pac. I truly believe he's a lot better now w/ his defense than he was back then.
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:51 AM
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floyd is not as hard to hit when he is fighting southpaws...just so you know!
Take your blinkers of kid he is extremely hard to hit CLEANLY , not close not grazing , its only happened a few times in 42 fights , just so you know !
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:53 AM
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:58 AM
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Floyd's hasn't been pushed to that limit to tell us he has better/equal stamina to Manny. I think at this very moment Manny takes it as far as endurance goes no doubt in my mind.

Good point on JMM though, but that was a different Pac. I truly believe he's a lot better now w/ his defense than he was back then.

We have to disagree on that one. When have you seen FMJ tired in a fight? We have seen Pac there many times! The fact that he isn't pushed that much just tells you how good he is, it doesn't mean he doesn't have the stamina. In training, FMJ fights long rounds, brings a fresh guy in and keeps going. So we know he is not a slouch at all when it comes to stamina.


What is so different about Pac other than using his right hand more? How is his defense so much better? There is no way with his speed & footwork should he get hit as much as he did against slow azz Margarito, if his defense is so much better.
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:59 AM
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Take your blinkers of kid he is extremely hard to hit CLEANLY , not close not grazing , its only happened a few times in 42 fights , just so you know !
im talking about southpaws you dumb b1tch....pretty sure you dont know how many southpaws floyd has fought...how many southpaws has floyd fought?
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