Does Mayweather/Ortiz enhance or take away from Mayweather's Legacy?

[DrewWoodside]

Lets just hope they don't try to sell us a rematch... Because no matter what I type or say, I'll buy pretty much every high profile boxing match.

[WESS]

Originally Posted by junior gong

For boxrec warriors and bumsniffs maybe not, but it wont just go away.

Yes it will, unless Ortiz becomes some great fighter. If not nobody will care or think twice when looking at Floyd's record and seeing a KO win over Ortiz.

At the end of the day it was a KO win for a belt. Nothing more, nothing less and unless Ortiz becomes something special, nobody will care or think twice when seeing his name.

[junior gong]

Originally Posted by WESS

Yes it will, unless Ortiz becomes some great fighter. If not nobody will care or think twice when looking at Floyd's record and seeing a KO win over Ortiz.

At the end of the day it was a KO win for a belt. Nothing more, nothing less and unless Ortiz becomes something special, nobody will care or think twice when seeing his name.

You think boxing fans memories are that short, especially when we live in an era when you can access all the information about fights and fighters with such ease? The only people likely to look up his record in 20 or 30 years time are going to be boxing fans, and as such they will look past the resume and into the history of his fights.

It happens everyday on this website, many or most of the posters here will take the trouble to find out and even watch fighters who fought before they were born. Now I know how much you like Floyd and all that, but even a ***** couldnt be so stupid as to not see what stares them in the face every day.

[DrewWoodside]

Originally Posted by junior gong

You think boxing fans memories are that short, especially when we live in an era when you can access all the information about fights and fighters with such ease? The only people likely to look up his record in 20 or 30 years time are going to be boxing fans, and as such they will look past the resume and into the history of his fights.

It happens everyday on this website, many or most of the posters here will take the trouble to find out and even watch fighters who fought before they were born. Now I know how much you like Floyd and all that, but even a ***** couldnt be so stupid as to not see what stares them in the face every day.

IMO a better defense against "this fight won't enhance his legacy" would be Mayweather was going to win anyway, not people won't care or remember how the fight ended. But that's just my opinion.

[junior gong]

Originally Posted by DrewWoodside

IMO a better defense against "this fight won't enhance his legacy" would be Mayweather was going to win anyway, not people won't care or remember how the fight ended. But that's just my opinion.

Pretty much how I see it. Ortiz was way out of his depth and really did nothing to deserve this fight. Floyd got a belt out of it, but no real enhancement to his standing at all.

[joseph5620]

Originally Posted by mathed

It look's good on paper: beats a pretty tough, young, hungry fighter.

It look's bad when watching the fight: Ortiz should not have given Floyd any once of respect at all (all these guys that fight him try to be friendly only to get punched on the break or catch an elbow for their troubles). Portrays the image that one of the icons of the sport is down right dirty, thus the sport is dirty.

It looks bad in the context of Floyd's career: He is viewed by many as one of the greatest boxers ever yet had to act in an unsportsman-like way to win against an overmatched boxer. I agree that Ortiz's headbutt antics were drastically uncalled for but he was penalized within the confines of the rules.If it wasn't really a bad thing to do, I don't see why so many in the media called it a cowardly act. I surmise there will be dirt coming out about behind the scenes talks between Floyd and Victor if there is no rematch. That "dirt" is what is going to really tarnish Floyd's career.

And the ending happened within the context of the rules. So what's the difference?

[The Gambler1981]

Originally Posted by DrewWoodside

Right, but Jordan hitting that shot off a push didn't result with the game ending midway through the second quarter.. Leaving fans confused and wondering where the other quarters went. I think a big problem with this fight is it left a fans feeling ripped off, and a lot off that ripped off feeling is attributed to how the KO came..

I think the parallel is relevant, but in the end I think Jordan's play strikes fans as having been heroic in going above and beyond, and Mayweather's play being less than heroic..

How long do you think it will be until Mayweather fights again? I'm guessing it's against Amir Khan and it will be announced well inside of 12 months time.

Still it is the same exact thing they were deciding moments where the better guy took advantage of another guy being naive. If you view Jordan as pulling off a fine veteran move you shouldn't really have an issue, if you beef over Jordan pushing off fine have an issue with this.

The nature of the sport changes little, did Utah have a chance to get back at the Bull nope exactly like Ortiz. It was the last move and it ended the series in six instead of seven so yea it robbed the fans of seeing Jordan in an actual game seven of the finals where he had a chance to lose, game seven of the finals was something he never did so he could have enhanced his legacy, instead we had him push Byron Russel to the ground and hitting a wide open jump shot.

Depends probably starting to hear words in six month because Floyd did say it take 6 months to build his fights so really it should be in six months if he intends on fighting in September next year, unless the big one comes off will probably know about that within 3 months

[-MAKAVELLI-]

great...it became a Jordan convo

[jasbar]

I think it will tarnish Floyd's legacy if he doesnt rematch Ortiz. Floyd will be remembered as a dirty fighter in the future.

[DrewWoodside]

Originally Posted by The Gambler1981

Still it is the same exact thing they were deciding moments where the better guy took advantage of another guy being naive. If you view Jordan as pulling off a fine veteran move you shouldn't really have an issue, if you beef over Jordan pushing off fine have an issue with this.

The nature of the sport changes little, did Utah have a chance to get back at the Bull nope exactly like Ortiz. It was the last move and it ended the series in six instead of seven so yea it robbed the fans of seeing Jordan in an actual game seven of the finals where he had a chance to lose, game seven of the finals was something he never did so he could have enhanced his legacy, instead we had him push Byron Russel to the ground and hitting a wide open jump shot.

Depends probably starting to hear words in six month because Floyd did say it take 6 months to build his fights so really it should be in six months if he intends on fighting in September next year, unless the big one comes off will probably know about that within 3 months

Yes, but something about the stigma behind "Cheap Shotting" goes against the very spirit and reason people watch boxing in the first place. Which is the reason this ending has become such a huge talking point. Whether it's the same in term of sportsmanship(and you can argue what Floyd did was more legal than what Jordan did,) it is perceived as not sporting and per above against the spirit or honor of the sport.

Whether that is correct/valid or not is anyone's guess, but it's the reason people keep discussing it. But as long as people debate it and are uncertain as to what to make of it, it lacks a certain luster.