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Old 08-16-2016, 01:02 PM
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Default Are Christians more violent than Muslims?

Before anyone starts I'm agnostic and don't have confidence in any organised faith.



Warning: Read to the end of the post before jumping to conclusions about where I am going with this post.

Are Christians more violent than Muslims? What does the record say?

Murder rate: America, like most Christian countries in the Americas, Africa and Eastern Europe, is markedly more violent than most of the Middle East (murders per 100,000 population):

0.6 Bahrain
0.7 Oman
0.8 United Arab Emirates
0.9 Qatar
1.0 Saudi Arabia
1.2 Egypt
1.7 Cyprus
1.8 Jordan
2.0 Iraq
2.1 Israel
2.2 Kuwait
2.2 Lebanon
2.3 Syria
3.0 Iran
3.3 Turkey
3.4 AMERICA
4.1 Palestine
4.2 Yemen
Terrorist attacks: According to the FBI, only 6% of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were carried out by Muslim extremists. Even Jewish extremists carried out more (7%).

War: Wars with at least a million dead:

Christian wars:

years: name: conservative body count in millions
535-554: Gothic Wars: 5.0m
790-1300: Reconquista: 7.0m
1096-1272: Crusades: 2.0m
1337-1453: Hundred Years’ War: 3.0m
1562-1598: French Wars of Religion: 3.0m
1568-1648: Dutch Revolt: 1.0m
1618-1648: Thirty Years’ War: 3.0m
1655-1660: Second Northern War: 3.0m
1763-1864: Russian-Circassian War: 2.0m
1792-1802: French Revolutionary Wars: 2.0m
1803-1815: Napoleonic Wars: 3.5m
1830-1903: War in Venezuela: 1.0m
1882-1898: Conquests of Menelik II of Ethiopia: 5.0m
1910-1920: Mexican Revolution: 1.0m
1914-1918: First World War: 20.0m
1917-1922: Russian Civil War: 5.0m
1939-1945: Second World War: 41.5m (European deaths only)
1946-1954: First Indochina War: 1.0m
1950-1953: Korean War: 1.2m
1955-1975: Vietnam War: 1.1m
1998-2003: Second Congo War: 2.5m
Muslim wars:

1370-1405: Conquests of Tamerlane: 7.0m
1681-1707: Conquests of Aurangzeb: 5.0m
1967-1970: Nigerian Civil War: 1.0m
1980-1988: Iran-Iraq War: 1.0m
1983-2005: Second Sudanese Civil War: 1.0m
1989-2001: Afghan Civil War: 1.4m
Seven times more people have died in Christian wars: 113.8 million compared to the 16.4 million who died in Muslim wars.

There are more Christians, but only about 50% more, nothing like seven times more.

Western history is Eurocentric, so we know more about wars in Christian lands than in Muslim ones. But not for wars since 1900, and there the imbalance is even worse: 73.3 million compared to 4.4 millon – 17 times more dead in Christian wars.

Some blame technology, yet the Muslim world has all the weapons the West had to kill over 100 million people. And yet it did not.

Democide: counts those who died not through war or street crime but through the wilful in/action of government, like genocide or Mao’s Great Leap Forward.

Christian democides of a million or more (does not count communist democides):

940-1917: Russia (tsarist): 2.1m
1095-1272: Crusades: 1.0m
1451-1870: European slave trade: 17.3m
1492-1900: Latin America: 13.8m Amerindians
1600-1900: Caribbean: 10.0m slaves worked to death
1618-1648; Thirty Years War: 5.8m
1651-1987: British Empire: 1.1m (not counting slavery)
1800-1900: Brazil: 1.5m Amazon rubber companies
1900-1920: Mexico: 1.4m
1933-1945: Germany (Nazis): 20.9m
1945-1948: Poland: 1.6m
Muslim democides of a million or more:

400-1900: Iran: 2.0m
1110-1918: Ottoman Empire: 3.9m
1958-1987: Pakistan: 1.5m
1983-2005: Sudan: 1.9m Nuer, Dinka, Christians, Nuba, etc
Christians have killed eight times more people in democides than Muslims: 76.5 million compared to 9.3 million. Almost the same rate as for war.

The mistake here lies not in the numbers but in the words “Christian” and “Muslim”. Sometimes religion is a cause – or at least an excuse – like in the bombings by Christian extremist Eric Rudolph or the genocide in Sudan. But most often it is not. Calling, say, the 9/11 terrorists “Muslim” is like calling Hitler “Christian”: true yet misleading. It is Islamophobia, not a serious attempt to understand the world as it is.
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Old 08-16-2016, 01:10 PM
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But what percentage of people are actually strict Christians in "Christian" countries like USA? I live in the UK and don't know anybody at all that's actually attends church or is deeply religious.

Pretty much everyone in the middle east is very strict about their religion.

So it's impossible to make that comparison using a generalisation of a whole country.
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Old 08-16-2016, 01:12 PM
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But what percentage of people are actually strict Christians in "Christian" countries like USA? I live in the UK and don't know anybody at all that's actually attends church or is deeply religious.

Pretty much everyone in the middle east is very strict about their religion.

So it's impossible to make that comparison using a generalisation of a whole country.

I see some truth in what you are saying but his is something that has changed with time at the time of these wars many people were much more religious.
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Old 08-16-2016, 01:14 PM
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I see some truth in what you are saying but his is something that has changed with time at the time of these wars many people were much more religious.
Well that I agree with. Even just 50 years ago, society in so called Christian countries was far more religious than it is now.
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Old 08-16-2016, 01:15 PM
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But what percentage of people are actually strict Christians in "Christian" countries like USA? I live in the UK and don't know anybody at all that's actually attends church or is deeply religious.

Pretty much everyone in the middle east is very strict about their religion.

So it's impossible to make that comparison using a generalisation of a whole country.
This.

Most Americans that are religious are Catholics anyway.

Every middle eastern country is very VERY strict by the rules in the Qur'an. The same is NOT applied in USA...
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Old 08-16-2016, 01:16 PM
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The bible: thou shall not murder
Quran: Kill infedels

The ones that disobeys the bible should not be called christians

The ones that disobeys the Quran should not be called muslims
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Old 08-16-2016, 01:16 PM
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Most Americans that are religious are Catholics anyway.

Every middle eastern country is very VERY strict by the rules in the Qur'an. The same is NOT applied in USA...
Again I agree with your post but you only speak for today what of the past?
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Old 08-16-2016, 01:20 PM
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Most Americans that are religious are Catholics anyway.

Every middle eastern country is very VERY strict by the rules in the Qur'an. The same is NOT applied in USA...
Plus a lot of judicial systems in the middle east are religion based i.e Sharia
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Before anyone starts I'm agnostic and don't have confidence in any organised faith.



Warning: Read to the end of the post before jumping to conclusions about where I am going with this post.

Are Christians more violent than Muslims? What does the record say?

Murder rate: America, like most Christian countries in the Americas, Africa and Eastern Europe, is markedly more violent than most of the Middle East (murders per 100,000 population):

0.6 Bahrain
0.7 Oman
0.8 United Arab Emirates
0.9 Qatar
1.0 Saudi Arabia
1.2 Egypt
1.7 Cyprus
1.8 Jordan
2.0 Iraq
2.1 Israel
2.2 Kuwait
2.2 Lebanon
2.3 Syria
3.0 Iran
3.3 Turkey
3.4 AMERICA
4.1 Palestine
4.2 Yemen
Terrorist attacks: According to the FBI, only 6% of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were carried out by Muslim extremists. Even Jewish extremists carried out more (7%).

War: Wars with at least a million dead:

Christian wars:

years: name: conservative body count in millions
535-554: Gothic Wars: 5.0m
790-1300: Reconquista: 7.0m
1096-1272: Crusades: 2.0m
1337-1453: Hundred Years’ War: 3.0m
1562-1598: French Wars of Religion: 3.0m
1568-1648: Dutch Revolt: 1.0m
1618-1648: Thirty Years’ War: 3.0m
1655-1660: Second Northern War: 3.0m
1763-1864: Russian-Circassian War: 2.0m
1792-1802: French Revolutionary Wars: 2.0m
1803-1815: Napoleonic Wars: 3.5m
1830-1903: War in Venezuela: 1.0m
1882-1898: Conquests of Menelik II of Ethiopia: 5.0m
1910-1920: Mexican Revolution: 1.0m
1914-1918: First World War: 20.0m
1917-1922: Russian Civil War: 5.0m
1939-1945: Second World War: 41.5m (European deaths only)
1946-1954: First Indochina War: 1.0m
1950-1953: Korean War: 1.2m
1955-1975: Vietnam War: 1.1m
1998-2003: Second Congo War: 2.5m
Muslim wars:

1370-1405: Conquests of Tamerlane: 7.0m
1681-1707: Conquests of Aurangzeb: 5.0m
1967-1970: Nigerian Civil War: 1.0m
1980-1988: Iran-Iraq War: 1.0m
1983-2005: Second Sudanese Civil War: 1.0m
1989-2001: Afghan Civil War: 1.4m
Seven times more people have died in Christian wars: 113.8 million compared to the 16.4 million who died in Muslim wars.

There are more Christians, but only about 50% more, nothing like seven times more.

Western history is Eurocentric, so we know more about wars in Christian lands than in Muslim ones. But not for wars since 1900, and there the imbalance is even worse: 73.3 million compared to 4.4 millon – 17 times more dead in Christian wars.

Some blame technology, yet the Muslim world has all the weapons the West had to kill over 100 million people. And yet it did not.

Democide: counts those who died not through war or street crime but through the wilful in/action of government, like genocide or Mao’s Great Leap Forward.

Christian democides of a million or more (does not count communist democides):

940-1917: Russia (tsarist): 2.1m
1095-1272: Crusades: 1.0m
1451-1870: European slave trade: 17.3m
1492-1900: Latin America: 13.8m Amerindians
1600-1900: Caribbean: 10.0m slaves worked to death
1618-1648; Thirty Years War: 5.8m
1651-1987: British Empire: 1.1m (not counting slavery)
1800-1900: Brazil: 1.5m Amazon rubber companies
1900-1920: Mexico: 1.4m
1933-1945: Germany (Nazis): 20.9m
1945-1948: Poland: 1.6m
Muslim democides of a million or more:

400-1900: Iran: 2.0m
1110-1918: Ottoman Empire: 3.9m
1958-1987: Pakistan: 1.5m
1983-2005: Sudan: 1.9m Nuer, Dinka, Christians, Nuba, etc
Christians have killed eight times more people in democides than Muslims: 76.5 million compared to 9.3 million. Almost the same rate as for war.

The mistake here lies not in the numbers but in the words “Christian” and “Muslim”. Sometimes religion is a cause – or at least an excuse – like in the bombings by Christian extremist Eric Rudolph or the genocide in Sudan. But most often it is not. Calling, say, the 9/11 terrorists “Muslim” is like calling Hitler “Christian”: true yet misleading. It is Islamophobia, not a serious attempt to understand the world as it is.


and you think those third world developing islamist run muslim nations have actual accurate social statistics on par with first world nations like america???



you have the nerve to list countries like bahrain where pedophilia is commonly accepted? saudi arabia where they behead people and still practice the purest form of sharia law????



now you've made enemies of christian posters on this site with this thread???

im glad you made this thread. your race baiting hatred wont go well for you.

just watch.

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Old 08-16-2016, 01:25 PM
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and you think those third world developing islamist run muslim nations have actual accurate social statistics on par with first world nations like america???



you have the nerve to list countries like bahrain where pedophilia is commonly accepted? saudi arabia where they behead people and still practice the purest form of sharia law????



now you've made enemies of christian posters on this site with this thread???

im glad you made this thread. your race baiting hatred wont go well for you.

just watch.

Lol sterling lad are you ok? You seem rather obsessed with me how am I race baiting? This is a discussion on religion nothing more religion and race are two separate entities.
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