What does the BH section think of JCC's legacy

zte89147

Just wondering what you guys think of, when you think of Julio Cesar Chavez

IronDanHamza

All time great.

Argubally the greatest fighter to come from Mexico.

Vastly overrated by his hardcore fans, most have dissapeared today but there are still a few lurking around.

But all in all a great fighter with one of the all time great chins to add to that.

fitefanSHO

Yes, greatest boxer from Mexico, an obvious all time great, and a total throwback fighter.

Top 50 ATG for sure, maybe even top 25.

Chavez was a force of nature and his unbeaten streak may never again be matched.

Steak

My take on his career, and an analysis of his notable wins.
http://aaboxing.blogspot.com/2011/05...lio-cesar.html

jabsRstiff · 11:09 AM

He was a great, great fighter. He was more skillful than pseudo-purists like to believe he was.......he was pretty damn good at slipping punches for a guy who was almost always coming forward. His accuracy and ability to put hard shots together in combination is matched by few in history.

Pseudo-purists also like to say he was easy to outbox...even though the only guy who outboxed him when he was near his time is one of the most masterful boxers in history- Whitaker. Getting outboxed by Pernell Whitaker doesn't mean you're easy to outbox....

What is overrated about him is his record, that's all. It is indeed a great record, but some put too much stock in it.

He has a lot of haters because he got some questionable calls in his career, and because of what I said about his record. Those haters actually wind up underrating the guy when all is said and done.

GJC

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Originally Posted by jabsRstiff

He was a great, great fighter. He was more skillful than pseudo-purists like to believe he was.......he was pretty damn good at slipping punches for a guy who was almost always coming forward. His accuracy and ability to put hard shots together in combination is matched by few in history.

Pseudo-purists also like to say he was easy to outbox...even though the only guy who outboxed him when he was near his time is one of the most masterful boxers in history- Whitaker. Getting outboxed by Pernell Whitaker doesn't mean you're easy to outbox....

What is overrated about him is his record, that's all. It is indeed a great record, but some put too much stock in it.

He has a lot of haters because he got some questionable calls in his career, and because of what I said about his record. Those haters actually wind up underrating the guy when all is said and done.

Was hugely overrated in his day IMO but due to the inevitable backlash to that is probably now underrated. Good example of the dangers of rushing to place a current fighter in a historical context.

Forza

I once made a thread here saying he was probably in the top 5 or even top 3 GOAT boxer and they all laughed at me.

"I cringed " said one member

The so called "experts" in this section don't know their history well.

GJC

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Originally Posted by Forza

I once made a thread here saying he was probably in the top 5 or even top 3 GOAT boxer and they all laughed at me.

"I cringed " said one member

The so called "experts" in this section don't know their history well.

Top 5 is hugely overshooting. This is the problem you go top 5 and people then write him off completely so he doesn't even make the top 500. Out of interest who fill the other 4 spots?

Steak

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Originally Posted by GJC

Was hugely overrated in his day IMO but due to the inevitable backlash to that is probably now underrated. Good example of the dangers of rushing to place a current fighter in a historical context.

Yes, I heavily get that impression as well.

his diehard, overzealous fans just went overboard in their day. Now I think a lot of people dont give him the credit he deserves.

jabsRstiff

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Originally Posted by Steak

Yes, I heavily get that impression as well.

his diehard, overzealous fans just went overboard in their day. Now I think a lot of people dont give him the credit he deserves.

He was the best fighter in the world from around '88 to '93. Having him there at that time wasn't overrating him.....but, (at that time) already calling him the greatest fighter ever, or saying he rated along Sugar Ray Robinson is the overrating you guys speak of...

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IronDanHamza All Time Great Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 17,632 Rep Power: 47 Points: 262,341,201.70 Bank: 1,656,055,610,217.15 Total Points: 1,656,317,951,418.85 Donate	All time great. Argubally the greatest fighter to come from Mexico. Vastly overrated by his hardcore fans, most have dissapeared today but there are still a few lurking around. But all in all a great fighter with one of the all time great chins to add to that.

fitefanSHO KO Digest Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: BOSTON Posts: 1,414 Rep Power: 5 Points: 1,076,921.96 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 1,076,921.96 Donate	Yes, greatest boxer from Mexico, an obvious all time great, and a total throwback fighter. Top 50 ATG for sure, maybe even top 25. Chavez was a force of nature and his unbeaten streak may never again be matched.

Steak Undisputed Champion Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: USA Posts: 10,819 Rep Power: 33 Points: 105,231,582.20 Bank: 666,366,315.14 Total Points: 771,597,897.34 Donate	My take on his career, and an analysis of his notable wins. http://aaboxing.blogspot.com/2011/05...lio-cesar.html

Forza Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Where the sun shines hot and the people are shady Posts: 6,132 Rep Power: 0 Points: 30,546,498.67 Bank: 0.00 Total Points: 30,546,498.67 Donate	I once made a thread here saying he was probably in the top 5 or even top 3 GOAT boxer and they all laughed at me. "I cringed " said one member The so called "experts" in this section don't know their history well.