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Old 07-01-2011, 06:24 AM
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1.Sam Langford
2.Harry Greb
3.Ray Robinson
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Ezzard Charles
6.Benny Leonard
7.Willie Pep
8.Roberto Duran
9.Muhammad Ali
10.Bob Fitzsimmons
11.Joe Gans
12.Mickey Walker
13.Gene Tunney
14.Eder Jofre
15.Archie Moore
16.Barney Ross
17.Pernell Whitaker
18.Jimmy Wilde
19.Sugar Ray Leonard
20.Jimmy McLarlin
21.Tony Canzoneri
22.Joe Louis
23.Kid Gavilan
24.Charley Burley
25.Alexis Arguello
26.Sandy Saddler
27.Barbados Joe Walcott
28.Marvin Hagler
29.Carlos Monzon
30.Jose Napoles

ACTIVE FIGHTERS ARE NOT INCLUDED. PACQUIAO WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS LIST HAD THAT BEEN THE CASE.
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:04 AM
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1.Sam Langford
2.Harry Greb
3.Ray Robinson
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Ezzard Charles
6.Benny Leonard
7.Willie Pep
8.Roberto Duran
9.Muhammad Ali
10.Bob Fitzsimmons
11.Joe Gans
12.Mickey Walker
13.Gene Tunney
14.Eder Jofre
15.Archie Moore
16.Barney Ross
17.Pernell Whitaker
18.Jimmy Wilde
19.Sugar Ray Leonard
20.Jimmy McLarlin
21.Tony Canzoneri
22.Joe Louis
23.Kid Gavilan
24.Charley Burley
25.Alexis Arguello
26.Sandy Saddler
27.Barbados Joe Walcott
28.Marvin Hagler
29.Carlos Monzon
30.Jose Napoles

ACTIVE FIGHTERS ARE NOT INCLUDED. PACQUIAO WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS LIST HAD THAT BEEN THE CASE.
My day to nit pick....

I will have Tony ahead of Wilde and McLarin..actually Tony beat Mclarin twice I think...head to head results should not be factored true (or Saddler is higher than Pep), but still Tony has a phenomenal record...

I have another Gripe why have you not included Rosenbloom ? Just have a look at some of his stats

1) Rosenbloom has almost twice as many victories over rated opponents as SRR or Moore. He has over 80 victories over top 10 contenders.For starters he beat John Henry Lewis, Jim braddock, Chuck Burns , Lou Scozza ,"Tiger" Jack Fox ,leo lomski etc etc...Fought Harry Greb also to ND.
He was also light heavy champ.

Not bad yea?
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Old 07-01-2011, 10:38 AM
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1.Sam Langford
2.Harry Greb
3.Ray Robinson
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Ezzard Charles
6.Benny Leonard
7.Willie Pep
8.Roberto Duran
9.Muhammad Ali
10.Bob Fitzsimmons
11.Joe Gans
12.Mickey Walker
13.Gene Tunney
14.Eder Jofre
15.Archie Moore
16.Barney Ross
17.Pernell Whitaker
18.Jimmy Wilde
19.Sugar Ray Leonard
20.Jimmy McLarlin
21.Tony Canzoneri
22.Joe Louis
23.Kid Gavilan
24.Charley Burley
25.Alexis Arguello
26.Sandy Saddler
27.Barbados Joe Walcott
28.Marvin Hagler
29.Carlos Monzon
30.Jose Napoles

ACTIVE FIGHTERS ARE NOT INCLUDED. PACQUIAO WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS LIST HAD THAT BEEN THE CASE.
Where would he be?

You have Hagler above Pacqiauo if I'm not mistaken.

Can't see where he fits in between Monzon and Napoles.
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Old 07-01-2011, 10:46 AM
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My day to nit pick....

I will have Tony ahead of Wilde and McLarin..actually Tony beat Mclarin twice I think...head to head results should not be factored true (or Saddler is higher than Pep), but still Tony has a phenomenal record...

I have another Gripe why have you not included Rosenbloom ? Just have a look at some of his stats

1) Rosenbloom has almost twice as many victories over rated opponents as SRR or Moore. He has over 80 victories over top 10 contenders.For starters he beat John Henry Lewis, Jim braddock, Chuck Burns , Lou Scozza ,"Tiger" Jack Fox ,leo lomski etc etc...Fought Harry Greb also to ND.
He was also light heavy champ.

Not bad yea?
Maxie Rosenbloom is one of the most underrated Light Heavyweight Champions I have ever come across and actually one of the most underrated fighters in history.

Add Slattery, Walker, Flowers, Shade to his excpetional wins amongst many many many quality wins. I mean, it's simply unreal how many top ranked opponents he fought and beat which is quite possibely the most in history.
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1.Sam Langford
2.Harry Greb
3.Ray Robinson
4.Henry Armstrong
5.Ezzard Charles
6.Benny Leonard
7.Willie Pep
8.Roberto Duran
9.Muhammad Ali
10.Bob Fitzsimmons
11.Joe Gans
12.Mickey Walker
13.Gene Tunney
14.Eder Jofre
15.Archie Moore
16.Barney Ross
17.Pernell Whitaker
18.Jimmy Wilde
19.Sugar Ray Leonard
20.Jimmy McLarlin
21.Tony Canzoneri
22.Joe Louis
23.Kid Gavilan
24.Charley Burley
25.Alexis Arguello
26.Sandy Saddler
27.Barbados Joe Walcott
28.Marvin Hagler
29.Carlos Monzon
30.Jose Napoles

ACTIVE FIGHTERS ARE NOT INCLUDED. PACQUIAO WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS LIST HAD THAT BEEN THE CASE.
Well first off that's a good list. BUT.................

-Joe Louis is WAY to low. I find it hard to accept Wilde, Tunney, Jofre, Leonard, & McLarlin all being greater than him. I really just don't see it. Louis is a lock for top 10 for me.

-I feel Gavilan is to high. I feel the likes of Monzon, Wlacott, Arguello, Hagler, Saddler, all should rank higher.

-I also feel Napoles, Gavilin, Burley, Tunney & Jofre are to high.

-And I just don't see ranking Pep higher than Ali or Duran.

-No Julio Cesar Chavez, Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, or Foreman?

But hey it's opinions........

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Old 07-05-2011, 06:40 AM
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Maxie Rosenbloom is one of the most underrated Light Heavyweight Champions I have ever come across and actually one of the most underrated fighters in history.

Add Slattery, Walker, Flowers, Shade to his excpetional wins amongst many many many quality wins. I mean, it's simply unreal how many top ranked opponents he fought and beat which is quite possibely the most in history.

Agreed...as per my calculations Rosenblom had defeated and fought the most top 10 adversaries than anyone in history. Yet he is not even in any top 20. Let me give a better list.
He beat :-
John Henry Lewisx3
Bob Godwinx2
Tiger Jack Fox
Jimmy Slatteryx2
Leo Lomskix3
Patsy Perroni
Ace Hudkins
JimBraddock
Ted Kid Lewis
Pete Latzo
Al Ettore
Lou Nova
Lee Ramage
King Levinsky
Al Gainer
Mickey Walker

He had 298 fights winning 222 ,and was stopped only twice once by Tommy Milligan when Maxie claimed a foul ,and once by Heavyweight Jimmy Adamick,when he was going down hill.

Grossly Underrated....

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Can you explain why you have Whitaker and Ross ahead of McLarnin whose resume is stronger than both?
Ross comes in ahead of McLarnin based on 2 prime h2h wins, though his resume is not as strong. Both belong ahead of Whitaker.
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Ross comes in ahead of McLarnin based on 2 prime h2h wins, though his resume is not as strong. Both belong ahead of Whitaker.
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I was asking the TS, but thanks.

Well since we're talking boxing and not hurling accusations, I would like to hear your take on it. I'd much rather be talking boxing than talking shit.
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