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Old 06-04-2011, 01:26 AM
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Post Comments Thread For: Julio Cesar Chavez Jr: To Be, and Not Be Butterbean

By Cliff Rold - The title is unfair.

If nothing else, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. (42-0-1, 30 KO) has already proven far more the serious professional than one Eric “Butterbean” Esch ever was.

For those who have forgotten, and those who just wish they could, Esch was once a staple on cable fight shows and even some 1990s Oscar De La Hoya pay-per-view undercards. He was the great Larry Holmes’s farewell victim in 2002. Ol’ Butterbean even scored a knockout on a Wrestlemania show once.

Often derided after coming to fame as a cult favorite in Toughman contests, Esch took real shots, threw some real haymakers, and as the “King of the Four Rounders” satisfied a carnival aspect of the game. Occasionally combined for the more prurient interests with female boxer, and eventual Playboy cover girl, Mia St. John, it was a struggle to be taken seriously by serious fight fans.

Not that they were really supposed to be.

Having gone ten rounds for the first time in 2006, and now graduated to twelve round affairs, Chavez has slowly grown a career that asks for the respect of the fans. Even if he has yet to prove he’s particularly good, he’s at least shown he isn’t that bad. He’s even got Freddie Roach in his corner to lend the air of legitimacy. Also lending an air, Chavez Jr. takes a step this weekend Esch and St. John never came close to.

He’s the main event on an HBO telecast.

And yet, fair or unfair, it’s hard to shake the feeling that we still don’t know what to make of the kid.

Is Chavez Jr. showtime or sideshow? [Click Here To Read More]
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Old 06-04-2011, 01:34 AM
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Arum would be smart to duck Rubio, or Martinez. Either will Ko him within 6.
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Old 06-04-2011, 01:35 AM
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Cliff Rold, no offense but are you alright? I dont get how you can compare the two. Shoulda saved your Butterbean analogy for another fighter and not JCCJR.


C'MON MAN!!
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Old 06-04-2011, 01:37 AM
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worthless article really? butterbean? why even bring dude's name up
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Old 06-04-2011, 01:45 AM
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Cliff Rold, no offense but are you alright? I dont get how you can compare the two. Shoulda saved your Butterbean analogy for another fighter and not JCCJR.


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Butterbean was a Top Rank sideshow. Chavez is getting to the part where he proves whether he is or is not, while surely of better quality, the same thing. That's the comparison point.

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Old 06-04-2011, 02:16 AM
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What the hell? Butterbean?

Did someone kidnap the real Cliff Rold and replace him with Michael Marley?
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Old 06-04-2011, 03:18 AM
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What the hell? Butterbean?

Did someone kidnap the real Cliff Rold and replace him with Michael Marley?
To be fair, many have publicly questioned whether Chavez Jnr is a real fighter, or if he was just fighting bums and living off his fathers name. And the article did start by saying that Chavez had already achieved more than butterbean ever did, and that Roach gave him credibility.

I think that Jnr will beat Zbik, but like the article suggested, Top Rank has turned out a few circus performers.

As for how deserving a titlist it would make him?..... if he wins, then he is at least as deserving as Zbik ever was to hold the WBC strap..... it is a step in the right direction thats for sure, and a bigger step than fatass butterball ever took.
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Old 06-04-2011, 06:02 AM
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Oh yeah ... butterbean.. oh yeah... Julio cesar chavez jr... yeah sure .... WAIT WHAAAAT !!??? WTFFFFFFF HAHAHAHAH

This has to be one of the stupides comparations ive ever heard give me a break.
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Old 06-04-2011, 09:28 AM
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To be fair, many have publicly questioned whether Chavez Jnr is a real fighter, or if he was just fighting bums and living off his fathers name. And the article did start by saying that Chavez had already achieved more than butterbean ever did, and that Roach gave him credibility.

I think that Jnr will beat Zbik, but like the article suggested, Top Rank has turned out a few circus performers.

As for how deserving a titlist it would make him?..... if he wins, then he is at least as deserving as Zbik ever was to hold the WBC strap..... it is a step in the right direction thats for sure, and a bigger step than fatass butterball ever took.
No matter who has the belt at the end of this one, the belt is a joke. Middleweight has one world champion: Serg. The title here is transactional.
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