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Old 05-28-2011, 07:38 AM
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Imagine if McCallum unified a title completely and then defended it against a whole bunch of #1 contenders from all the organizations for years. We are not talking about there being two other champions while he ruled as there was for McCallum. So top contenders had to fight each other for a title shot. And every time they did this, Hagler would dominate them.
So basicly put, he beat the best of the best for years. I liked McCallum alot but while he was a "titlest" among three other titlests there was always a question if he was truly the best in his weight class. Until he fought IBF middleweight champion James Toney in his first unification(the WBA did not sanction it but it was two champions fighting each other).
But his mw division wasn't very deep, which is why his best win is over Hearns

Unfortunately he was stripped for not paying the outrageous step aside fee the WBA were demanding, something like $115K
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I also understand it's hard for younger boxing fans to understand the significance of being undisputed, because today it is unheard of. But it is a good measure of greatness. That is why many long time fight fans hold pugilists like Ali, Robinson and Joe Louis in such high regard.
True. Belts mean absolutely nothing these days

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Old 05-28-2011, 08:30 AM
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What is Hagler's second best win? Vito Antuofermo, semi-shot Duran?

McCallum has a deep resume with guys like Collins Kalambay Watson Jackson Graham Kalule Harding etc
Finally, knew there was something sensible in you! Hagler is gravely overrated, that is, his resume is. The man was capable as hell, no doubt. But he didn't beat the best guy he ever fought, arguably the best guy. And if Hearns hadn't broken his right hand...who knows. Duran fight was close as hell. McCallum on the other hand beat all his opponents decisively, Herol Graham was a close fight but I scored it 116-114 for Mike. Second Kalambay fight I had 115-114 for him. Both Herol and Sumbu are among the 10 best mw's of the last 30-40 years.

Prediction: next post that comes will call me a nuthugger and try to totally discredit my opinions.

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Old 05-28-2011, 08:42 AM
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Prediction: next post that comes will call me a nuthugger and try to totally discredit my opinions.
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Old 05-28-2011, 10:26 AM
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Comparing Best wins:
Julian Jackson < Hearns
Collins=Minter
Harding=Mugabi
Kalambay> Duran
Watson= Roldan
Graham> Briscoe
Curry= Hamsho
Kalule=Sibson
McCrory=Antuofermo

Draws:
Toney>Antuofermo

Edit: Changed grading of Hearns-Jackson wins

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Old 05-28-2011, 11:07 AM
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Comparing Best wins:
Julian Jackson=Hearns
Collins=Minter
Harding=Mugabi
Kalambay> Duran
Watson= Roldan
Graham> Briscoe
Curry= Hamsho
Kalule=Sibson
McCrory=Antuofermo

Draws:
Toney>Antuofermo
Beating Julian Jackson is of equal weight to beating Tommy Hearns? :thinking9:

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Old 05-28-2011, 11:09 AM
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Comparing Best wins:
Julian Jackson=Hearns
Collins=Minter
Harding=Mugabi
Kalambay> Duran
Watson= Roldan
Graham> Briscoe
Curry= Hamsho
Kalule=Sibson
McCrory=Antuofermo

Draws:
Toney>Antuofermo
I think that is a bit of a leap. Hearns is a better win than Jackson, lets be real.
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Old 05-28-2011, 11:21 AM
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Beating Julian Jackson is of equal weight to beating Tommy Hearns? :thinking9:

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Your right, its not.

edit: upgraded my comparison list
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Old 05-28-2011, 11:23 AM
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I think that is a bit of a leap. Hearns is a better win than Jackson, lets be real.
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The rest of my comparisons hold up though

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Old 05-28-2011, 12:08 PM
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Old 05-28-2011, 12:47 PM
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Comparing Best wins:
Julian Jackson < Hearns
Collins=Minter
Harding=Mugabi
Kalambay> Duran
Watson= Roldan
Graham> Briscoe
Curry= Hamsho
Kalule=Sibson
McCrory=Antuofermo

Draws:
Toney>Antuofermo

Edit: Changed grading of Hearns-Jackson wins
Curry should be compared with Hearns, not Jackson. That and Kalambay are MM's best wins.
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