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Old 05-27-2011, 01:25 PM
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Arrow Hagler vs McCallum: who ranks higher?

Who ranks higher on the ATG list? please give reasons

McCallums best wins:
Jeff Harding
Sumbu Kalambay
Michael Watson
Steve Collins
Herol Graham
Donald Curry
Julian Jackson
Ayub Kalule

Noticable Losses:
Toney
Kalumby

Accomplishments:
3 division world champion

Haglers best wins:
John Mugabi
Thomas Hearns
Juan Domingo Roldan
Roberto Duran
Vito Antuofermo
Alan Minter
Bennie Briscoe
Tony Sibson
Mustafa Hamsho

Noticable Losses:
Leonard

Accomplishments:
undisputed mw division world champion

Comparing Best wins:
Julian Jackson < Hearns
Collins=Minter
Harding=Mugabi
Kalambay> Duran
Watson= Roldan
Graham> Briscoe
Curry= Hamsho
Kalule=Sibson
McCrory=Antuofermo

Draws:
Toney>Antuofermo

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Old 05-27-2011, 01:57 PM
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Hagler because he is a Top 5 Middleweight which is one of the deepest divisions in history and because he has a better resume.

I do rank McCallum #1 at 154, though.
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Hagler can compare to Greb, Robinson and Monzon in the fight for #1 MW of all time. Need I say more?
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Old 05-28-2011, 03:04 AM
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Hagler because he is a Top 5 Middleweight which is one of the deepest divisions in history and because he has a better resume.

I do rank McCallum #1 at 154, though.

What is Hagler's second best win? Vito Antuofermo, semi-shot Duran?

McCallum has a deep resume with guys like Collins Kalambay Watson Jackson Graham Kalule Harding etc
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Hagler because he is a Top 5 Middleweight which is one of the deepest divisions in history and because he has a better resume.

I do rank McCallum #1 at 154, though.
McCallums best wins:
Jeff Harding
Sumbu Kalambay
Michael Watson
Steve Collins
Herol Graham
Donald Curry
Julian Jackson
Ayub Kalule

Accomplishments:
3 division world champion

Haglers best wins:
John Mugabi
Thomas Hearns
Juan Domingo Roldan
Roberto Duran
Vito Antuofermo
Alan Minter
Bennie Briscoe
Tony Sibson
Mustafa Hamsho

Accomplishments:
undisputed mw division world champion

I'm of the opinion that his resume compares to Hagler's

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Old 05-28-2011, 05:49 AM
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What is Hagler's second best win? Vito Antuofermo, semi-shot Duran?

McCallum has a deep resume with guys like Collins Kalambay Watson Jackson Graham Kalule Harding etc
I love that fight, a very underrated performance by McCallum
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Imagine if McCallum unified a title completely and then defended it against a whole bunch of #1 contenders from all the organizations for years. We are not talking about there being two other champions while he ruled as there was for McCallum. So top contenders had to fight each other for a title shot. And every time they did this, Hagler would dominate them.
So basicly put, he beat the best of the best for years. I liked McCallum alot but while he was a "titlest" among three other titlests there was always a question if he was truly the best in his weight class. Until he fought IBF middleweight champion James Toney in his first unification(the WBA did not sanction it but it was two champions fighting each other).

I also understand it's hard for younger boxing fans to understand the significance of being undisputed, because today it is unheard of. But it is a good measure of greatness. That is another reason why many long time fight fans hold pugilists like Ali, Robinson and Joe Louis in such high regard.

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