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Old 05-27-2011, 06:11 PM
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I wish more fighters' had refused to fight Ruiz.
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real simple: Grant was hbo's newest overhyped star and there was good money to be made matching him up with lewis. Who the hell would want to televise a money losing stinker like a matchup with ruiz? Hindsight maybe 20/20 but at the time grant was thought of much more highly than ruiz even by ring magazine. Everyone knew ruiz was a joke and a particularly unwatchable joke at that.

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Old 06-01-2011, 12:09 PM
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Back when Lewis was CHAMP, and I think maybe Ruiz had a strap, I was in a bookstore reading the new Ring Magazine and a guy next to me struck up a conversation about boxing and he proceeded to tell me that he was one of Ruiz's cornermen (feasible because this was in Massachusetts) and he told me that Lennox Lewis was ducking John Ruiz, or as he put it, "Lewis is definitely duckin Johnny!"

To this day, I when I think about that conversation.

Lewis KO 2 Ruiz (if it ever happened, which luckily for Johnny, it never did)

ps, this guy was NOT Stoney...
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Old 06-02-2011, 12:02 AM
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Off the top of my head, and haven't looked at this one in a minute, the whole thing was a political farce. Ruiz was the third WBA mando and was not the mando at all when the mess started. It was supposed to be Akinwande (a fight Lewis would have dumped the belt on because no way was anyone going to buy it and the first was a nuclear horror). Then Akinwande wasn't available due to illness so the WBA redid their ratings and somehow had Evander as mando. That wasn't going to float coming off 2 straight Holy-Lewis fights and Lewis and HBO started working on Grant. The WBA came up with what I believe they called a new formula and suddenly, voila, Ruiz #1, Holy #2. Lewis sued to keep his belt and offered Ruiz the slot that went ultimately to Botha. The WBA AGREED to let the stay happen. Ruiz, through promoter Don King, took it to U.S. court and the court ruled that the Lewis-Holy contract rightly called for Lewis to fight the WBA mando first and stripped him.

Fair enough on the letter BUT Lewis went to all those lengths and Ruiz had only to wait for July 2000. Ruiz was taken in another direction (pure speculation here but always assumed DK thought Holy would blitz Ruiz and then he could foster hype for Lewis III based off the vocal minority who thought Holy stole the rematch with Lewis).

If anyone ducked, it was Team Ruiz.

Here's some old sources: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/co...backs-off.html

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Old 10-13-2011, 03:42 AM
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Ruiz got the WBA no.1 ranking by beating what? the corpse of Tony Tucker
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Old 10-13-2011, 04:05 AM
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It would have been brutal and one-sided. For all his boringness, Ruiz was very tough. Forget how Tua ragdolled him, Tua and Lewis are very different fighters. Also I think anyone receiving that sort of punishment from Tua would end up in the same condition.

I see a corner or ref stoppage fairly early, if not a knockout, Lewis' right hand coming out to play early and making it fairly obvious this is a mismatch.

What gets me about Ruiz is one of his early fights I saw, when he went in quick, hard and got an early knockout... What could have been...
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Old 10-13-2011, 07:15 AM
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Ok relax Lewis fans! I am not gonna come here and say Lennox ducked RUIZ, of all people. But I just don't understand why he would rather give up the WBA belt than fight him...yes, Ruiz was an ugly fighter with a boring style, but Lewis has been in such fights before. Why would he lose his undisputed championship rather than fighting Ruiz? I think there might be one reason: Lewis liked to bully his opponents. Ruiz was a bully himself and he was a strong man. Not stronger than Lewis, but Lewis wouldn't be able to bully him as much. I guess he knew from the Golota fight that Michael Grant was a wimp, I mean he got beaten up and bullied by a guy smaller than himself! Thats why he chose to fight Grant instead.
I have no idea as to why...... But I think it would have been a VERY short fight,... if Lewis didn't take Ruiz out early,...... I'd say he was a bludger.
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Old 10-13-2011, 07:22 AM
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It would have been brutal and one-sided. For all his boringness, Ruiz was very tough. Forget how Tua ragdolled him, Tua and Lewis are very different fighters. Also I think anyone receiving that sort of punishment from Tua would end up in the same condition.

I see a corner or ref stoppage fairly early, if not a knockout, Lewis' right hand coming out to play early and making it fairly obvious this is a mismatch.

What gets me about Ruiz is one of his early fights I saw, when he went in quick, hard and got an early knockout... What could have been...
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Lewis ducked him because Ruiz would have won. Lewis would have gotten so bored beating the crap out of Ruiz and getting clinched that he would have fallen asleep in the 12th round, along with everyone else, and when we woke up a second later Ruiz would have been standing over a passed out Lennox. We would all assume Lennox get knocked out and Ruiz would be declared the winner.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:07 AM
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Ok relax Lewis fans! I am not gonna come here and say Lennox ducked RUIZ, of all people. But I just don't understand why he would rather give up the WBA belt than fight him...yes, Ruiz was an ugly fighter with a boring style, but Lewis has been in such fights before. Why would he lose his undisputed championship rather than fighting Ruiz? I think there might be one reason: Lewis liked to bully his opponents. Ruiz was a bully himself and he was a strong man. Not stronger than Lewis, but Lewis wouldn't be able to bully him as much. I guess he knew from the Golota fight that Michael Grant was a wimp, I mean he got beaten up and bullied by a guy smaller than himself! Thats why he chose to fight Grant instead.
This would be a great theory if there weren't facts that explain the situation entirely.

To get the Holyfield unification, Lewis had to sign on to face the WBA mando next. The WBA mando ended up being Akinwande, someone Lewis had beaten and a rematch was unsellable. Lewis made clear he was going to Grant, partiocularly because Akinwande still had Hepatitis and wasn't able to fight. The WBA reworked the 'forumla' to determine mandos and came up with...Holyfield. No move had been made to strip because Akinwande and Holyfield would have looked terrible as being stripped for. King lobbied and the WBA magic 'formula' suddenly had Ruiz up top off his victory, I believe, over Tucker.

Lewis appealed.

The WBA agreed to allow him to keep the belt, with Lewis offering Ruiz the immediate shot after Grant (which went to Botha). King/Ruiz sued, Lewis fought it in court on the same grounds (offering next shot)...and lost.

Ruiz faced Holyfield. Lewis moved on. This is all well documented.

Don King/Team Ruiz could have waited a few months to get either a shot at the undisputed title or, if Grant had won, take their stripped belt then. They didn't, nor was Ruiz the mando at the start of the madness.

If anyone ducked, Ruiz ducked Lewis (though I doubt the fighter had much to do with it).
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