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Old 05-22-2011, 12:53 PM
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First off, it's me again with another question regarding perceptions and thoughts going into another megafight from the past. I wasn't following boxing as I started in late 2006, but having become enamored with the sport, and given Hopkins' recent win, here is my question:


In 2001, when Hopkins and Trinidad faced off to compete for the undisputed middleweight title, what were your thoughts on the fight? How was it perceived by the general media (or the experts) on how it would play out? I was only 15 at the time, and the only thing I can recall was my mother (a huge Tito fan) saying that Tito was going to get thrashed because Hopkins was a "prison man." I can't remember what my father had to say prior to the fight, though I should've paid attention because he was an avid follower of the sport, and still is. Another thing I can recall from the day of the fight was my parents in the other room and my mom going "Ayyyyy, Titooooooooo..." during the fight. That's the only thing I can remember.

Were there any Hopkins fans here? Did anybody believe he would stick around for any longer. Looking back on it, either his victory over Trinidad or last night's victory were probably his biggest WINS to date (not accomplishments, WINS), though feel free to disagree.

I just would like to hear some stories and anecdotes coming into this fight and/or reactions when Hopkins knocked out Trinidad. I mean, I can appreciate and comprehend how big that was, but it's a shame I wasn't around to follow the sport, that would've probably been one of those spine-tingling moments for me, considering Tito was a young, undefeated, power-punching fighter in Madison Square Garden with a legion of followers...and he gets outboxed, embarrassed, outgunned, and mauled for 11 rounds...and then to punctuate it, Hopkins knocks him out in the last round for an incredible last round KO...and the guy is 35, where in many cases a boxer at this age is on his way out or way past it. Un-freaking-believable...and he is STILL around.

This is the kind of stuff that you'd get lynched for if you had predicted it back in 2000 way before Hopkins came into the spotlight...
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Old 05-22-2011, 01:09 PM
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going into the fight Trinidad was on a undefeated and on a tear. Don King had put together a middleweight tournament designed to make Tito the king of that class. Originally BHop wasn't even invited. But magically he signed with King and he was in. Hopkins beat Kieth Holmes to add the WBC belt to the IBF belt he already had. Titi destroyed Joppy for the WBA belt and the match was set. In one of the press conferences, Hopkins ripped a Puerto Rican flagges from Titos hand and stomped on it. Lotsa bad blood going into the fight. Tito was the heavy favorite. I remember thinking at the referees instruction, I can't remember anyone looking straight accross at Tito. I thought the fight was very one sided,and it seemed like Tito fought his tipical fight, but Hopkins had an answer for everything he had. The pro Tito crowd seemed to steadily dye down as Hopkins raked him with good shots from the 6th to the bell. It was one of those fights that made you think, if these guys fought 10 times, Hopkins would win them all. And I was a huge Tito fan then!
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Old 05-22-2011, 01:41 PM
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I think most hardcore fans knew Hopkins should of been the favorite. I think asking ANY former welterweight to be competitive against B-Hop in there 2nd fight at middleweight is simply to much to ask.

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Old 05-22-2011, 01:49 PM
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I think most hardcore fans knew Hopkins should of been the favorite. I think asking ANY former welterweight to be competitive against B-Hop in there 2nd fight at middleweight is simply to much to ask.
I agree with you.
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I think most hardcore fans knew Hopkins should of been the favorite. I think asking ANY former welterweight to be competitive against B-Hop in there 2nd fight at middleweight is simply to much to ask.
By destroying Joppy, Trinidad proved himself as capable a middleweight as any at the time.
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Old 05-22-2011, 02:05 PM
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Tito looked impressive against Joppy. That made alot of people believe he could hang with Hopkins at Middleweight and size wouldn't be a factor. They were wrong.

At the time, people weren't really aware what Bernard Hopkins was capable of. Tito was already known well for his brutal KO power.

The fight with Tito really defined Hopkins career. It made everyone step up and realise that this guy is a great fighter.

Tito was the betting favourite but alot of people could see it was a bad style match up but the same has occured over and over again with Bernard. They keep making him the underdog for some reason.
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As I recall, there was ALOT going on in the world at that time which took my attention off of boxing but in the buildup to that fight, I remember there being a general belief that Trinidad was going to win and assert himself as the best middleweight in the world. Hopkins at that point, was not nearly as appreciated as he is today, I think some people even wanted to see him lose so that maybe he would go away. Didn't work out that way tho, I always thought Trinidad was a tad overrated, and I thought Hopkins would outpoint him, the KO was a surprise to me.
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By destroying Joppy, Trinidad proved himself as capable a middleweight as any at the time.





It's funny how so many people overlook that. I can remember a lot of people picking Trinidad too. He was the favorite and unbeaten at that time.
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I was just away to turn 16 but was already a big fan and a HUGE Tito fan, i was seriously worried for him but then i always was i even thought Joppy might beat him! Totally gutted but not surprised, at least not totally surprised anyway. Trinidad was a monster but he came up against a big strong MIDDLEWEIGHT who happened to fight the fight of his hall of fame career that night, it was a victory in its self that skinny Trinidad went as far as he did on hindsight, Felix has mad heart.
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going into the fight Trinidad was on a undefeated and on a tear. Don King had put together a middleweight tournament designed to make Tito the king of that class. Originally BHop wasn't even invited. But magically he signed with King and he was in. Hopkins beat Kieth Holmes to add the WBC belt to the IBF belt he already had. Titi destroyed Joppy for the WBA belt and the match was set. In one of the press conferences, Hopkins ripped a Puerto Rican flagges from Titos hand and stomped on it. Lotsa bad blood going into the fight. Tito was the heavy favorite. I remember thinking at the referees instruction, I can't remember anyone looking straight accross at Tito. I thought the fight was very one sided,and it seemed like Tito fought his tipical fight, but Hopkins had an answer for everything he had. The pro Tito crowd seemed to steadily dye down as Hopkins raked him with good shots from the 6th to the bell. It was one of those fights that made you think, if these guys fought 10 times, Hopkins would win them all. And I was a huge Tito fan then!

this about sums it up


if they fought 10 times hopkins would win a dozen


bernard was a three or four to one dog
tito was at the height of his powers and was supposed to dethrone bernard and start making some serious cash with don king (bernard was never a huge draw on the tele or in the box office because of his style and lack of flair, and tito was supposed to take over)


people had been writing him off since before trinidad
wild as that seems

then he fought some mo dudes, including joppy, de la hoya , and beastman eastman, before losing to Jermain taylor in '05 in the summer



if you had told me that bernard would outlast taylor in '05 i would have advised you to get checked out by a doctor


and here we are
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