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Old 05-17-2011, 08:16 PM
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Default Jack Johnson vs. Wlad Klitschko

I was thinking about this fight today, wondering how it would play out. In all likelihood, it would be a snoozer but it could be an interesting tactical fight. I'm kinda torn on who would win. Johnson is the greater heavyweight with the better resume, but Wlad is no walk in the park and Johnson would have trouble landing that uppercut on a chin that's thirty-two feet in the air. What do you guys think?
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:22 PM
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Personally i think Wlad's Offense isnt face paced enough to catch Johnson who is arguable the greatest defensive master in the division.

The only advantage Wlad has here is size and maybe strength. I think Johnson can neutralize his offense for 12 or 15 rounds. I mean he WAS used to fighting longer than that.
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:30 PM
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Personally i think Wlad's Offense isnt face paced enough to catch Johnson who is arguable the greatest defensive master in the division.

The only advantage Wlad has here is size and maybe strength. I think Johnson can neutralize his offense for 12 or 15 rounds. I mean he WAS used to fighting longer than that.
See I was thinking that too. I doubt very much that Klitschko could KO him. But I started falling into that trap of "well Johnson's defense was so good (supposedly, I haven't seen all that much of him and the available footage isn't mindblowing) that Klitschko couldn't hit him!" But Klitschko has pretty good defense, too and Jack was a very...measured fighter. I really don't know. I feel like the cool thing is to just say "oh the Klitschkos suck, Johnson murks him" but it's an ugly style matchup for anyone...
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:46 PM
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I'm gonna put my head out here as a human pinata, but I'm taking Wladimir Klitschko in this match up.

6'1 1/2", 192-220 lbs in his prime vs a 6'6 1/2" 245 lb heavy handed boxer???

And besides that, Johnson had a 37.63 life time KO%. Klitscko, as I type this, is at 84.48%.

The only way JJ wins is by a decision. I don't see that happening.
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:52 PM
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Can't take JJ's KOrecord seriously!

In many fights, he had to carry white opponents, and knew if he KOed them, he risked lynching.--so he didn't.

He was probably better than we can realize. Ali said he was great.
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:19 PM
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Usually I would pick someone like Klitschko here. But Jack Johnson was one tough SOB to fight. Almost nobody ever looked good fighting him. He wasn't a tiny heavyweight and I can see him frustrating and wearing down WK for a late stoppage. The fight has to be ugly for Johnson to pull this off though.
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:26 PM
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Can't take JJ's KOrecord seriously!

In many fights, he had to carry white opponents, and knew if he KOed them, he risked lynching.--so he didn't.

He was probably better than we can realize. Ali said he was great.
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Just to be clear, we can't take JJ's record serious for the reason you put forth or we can't take any black man's record seriously from that era for the same reasoning? I don't understand.

At what year CAN we take a fighter's record "seriously"? Or is it just Jack Johnson's record that shows him "carrying" white men??? Do you know which ones he carried?

The reason I ask that is because he KO'ed, among others, Fireman Jim Flynn, Bob Fitzsimmons, Stanley Ketchel & James J. Jeffries. All very white & all very popular.

He did, however, go the distance with Sam McVay, Joe Jeanette, Young Peter Jackson & Sam Langford. All very black.

His record is what it is.

Plus, seriously now, what was Muhammad Ali gonna say???
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Wladimir by decison in a boring fight. If this is fought at unlimited rounds, then maybe Johnson would win.

Johnson hugged and ran too much, and wouldnt put up enough pressure on Wladimir. Wladimir has the better jab and hits harder, and if he is allowed to fight at his own pace(or slower) he can control the fight.

Wladimir as the larger man would lean on Johnson and be just fine with his multiple clinches, and be stronger in the clinch as well.
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Wlad might have a shot at winning now.....since Johnson's been dead for about 70 years, though that makes him more "live" than any of Wlad's pathetic opponents.

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Wlad might have a shot at winning now.....since Johnson's been dead for about 70 years, though that makes him more "live" than any of Wlad's pathetic opponents.

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