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Old 05-17-2011, 10:33 PM
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Glad to see Cerdan is getting some love & respect as a great fighter. I agree, he was one of Europe's best ever.

The part I never really associated Cerdan with is him being "one of the hardest punchers in the mw division ever". When I think of Marcel Cerdan, I think of 3 things..1. The crash that killed him. 2. A very durable fighter. 3. Generally under-rated.

One of the hardest hitting 160lbers ever? Marcel Cerdan had a life time KO % of 56.52%, or 65 KOs in 115 fights.

Here's some other middleweight KO percentages....

Randy Turpin 60%
Rocky Graziano 62.65%
Carlos Monzon 59%
Stanley Ketchel 75%
Tommy Hearns 71.64%
Marvin Hagler 77.61%


These guys were the hardest hitters I could find! I was surprised to find out that the life-time KO % of most of the other notable 160 lbers in history were even LOWER. (Sugar Ray Robinson was a 54% KO ratio) So you are right, Cerdan is also one of the hardest hitters ever at 160!

I should have known that, since I fancy myself a boxing historian! But I'm better prepared now for threads & debates down the road!
None of the percentages indicate who the harder punchers are, everyone knows that KO percentages don't mean much.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:42 PM
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No he wasnt even close to best non american fighter. He is a legend though best from France.

If you want a good look at him this site has a Cerdan Career Set
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Old 05-18-2011, 01:57 AM
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I'd like to see SRR's KO % as a WW!
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Old 05-18-2011, 02:18 AM
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None of the percentages indicate who the harder punchers are, everyone knows that KO percentages don't mean much.
Ali had a pretty high KO% in his prime. Doesn't mean he was a big puncher though: Most of those KOs were from cuts or the ref ending the carnage. KO% includes ALL stoppages no matter what kind they are.....including stool quits like the Klits rack up.

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Old 05-18-2011, 05:30 AM
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Exactly, anyone knows on that list would see Hearns and Ketchel are a league above Hagler in the power standings conflicting these percentages.
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Old 05-18-2011, 11:33 AM
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Glad to see Cerdan is getting some love & respect as a great fighter. I agree, he was one of Europe's best ever.

The part I never really associated Cerdan with is him being "one of the hardest punchers in the mw division ever". When I think of Marcel Cerdan, I think of 3 things..1. The crash that killed him. 2. A very durable fighter. 3. Generally under-rated.

One of the hardest hitting 160lbers ever? Marcel Cerdan had a life time KO % of 56.52%, or 65 KOs in 115 fights.

Here's some other middleweight KO percentages....

Randy Turpin 60%
Rocky Graziano 62.65%
Carlos Monzon 59%
Stanley Ketchel 75%
Tommy Hearns 71.64%
Marvin Hagler 77.61%

These guys were the hardest hitters I could find! I was surprised to find out that the life-time KO % of most of the other notable 160 lbers in history were even LOWER. (Sugar Ray Robinson was a 54% KO ratio) So you are right, Cerdan is also one of the hardest hitters ever at 160!

I should have known that, since I fancy myself a boxing historian! But I'm better prepared now for threads & debates down the road!
You can't consider Tommy Hearns a middleweight. He only had 3 fights at that weight and lost 2 of them. He was something extraordinary, his right hand is one of the greatest weapons in boxing ever.
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:59 PM
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You can't consider Tommy Hearns a middleweight. He only had 3 fights at that weight and lost 2 of them. He was something extraordinary, his right hand is one of the greatest weapons in boxing ever.
I was trying to pay you a compliment.

I do consider TH a middleweight because he's in the record books as having been the WBC Middleweight Champion of the world. As well as an NABF Middleweight champ.

By the way, Hearns had 8 fights as a middleweight, not 3.
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Old 05-18-2011, 01:28 PM
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I was trying to pay you a compliment.

I do consider TH a middleweight because he's in the record books as having been the WBC Middleweight Champion of the world. As well as an NABF Middleweight champ.

By the way, Hearns had 8 fights as a middleweight, not 3.
Ok, fair enuff. Thanks for that info and for the compliment. He still can't be considered a TRUE mw, not like Hagler, Monzon or those other guys.
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Old 05-18-2011, 01:45 PM
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Ok, fair enuff. Thanks for that info and for the compliment. He still can't be considered a TRUE mw, not like Hagler, Monzon or those other guys.
And, to be fair to you also, you're also right. When Hearns comes to mind, I think of him more as a welterweight or jr. middleweight before I consider him a middleweight.
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Old 05-18-2011, 02:44 PM
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And, to be fair to you also, you're also right. When Hearns comes to mind, I think of him more as a welterweight or jr. middleweight before I consider him a middleweight.
Glad we agree buddy.
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