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Old 05-11-2011, 08:20 AM
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I mean these guys have been coming out to protest and they are dying in their hundreds day after day, after day. these poeple need our support right now. And now Bashar Assad just BOMBED on a ****ing PROTEST!

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Army tanks have shelled a residential district in Homs, according to a rights campaigner in the Syrian city which has emerged as the most populous centre of defiance against Bashar al-Assad's rule.

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"Homs is shaking with the sound of explosions from tank shelling and heavy machine guns in the Bab Amro neighbourhood," Najati Tayara, said.

Assad initially responded to the unrest, the most serious challenge to his 11-year grip on power, with promises of reform.

He granted citizenship to stateless Kurds and last month lifted a 48-year state of emergency.

But he also deployed the army to crush dissent, in Deraa, where demonstrations first erupted on March 18, and then in other cities, making clear he would not risk losing the tight control his family has held over Syria for the past 41 years.
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Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretatry general, urged Syria on Wednesday to halt mass arrests of anti-government protesters and to heed calls for reform.

Ban also said that UN humanitarian workers and human rights monitors must be allowed into Deraa, as well as other cities so as to assess the situation and needs of the civilian population.

"I urge president Assad to heed the call of the people for reform and freedom and desist from the mass arrest of peaceful demonstrators, and to cooperate with the human rights monitors," Ban told a news conference in Geneva.

"I am disappointed that the United Nations has not been granted access yet to Deraa and other places," he added.

The EU is to look at fresh sanctions this week against Syrian Assad's regime after already honing in on his inner circle, Catherine Ashton, the EU diplomacy chief, said on Wednesday.

Fresh sanctions

Asked by members of the European Parliament to explain why Assad's name was not on a list of 13 Syrian officials hit by European Union sanctions, Ashton said "we started with 13 people who were directly involved" in cracking down on protests.

"We'll look at it again this week," she added.

"I assure you that my intention is to put the maximum political pressure that we can on Syria."

Speaking to the New York Times, a powerful cousin of the president said the Assad family was not going to capitulate.

"We will sit here. We call it a fight until the end...They should know when we suffer, we will not suffer alone," Rami Makhlouf, one of the 13 people targeted by additional sanctions, told the newspaper.

Makhlouf, a tycoon in his early 40s who owns several monopolies, and his brother, a secret police chief, have been under specific US sanctions since 2007 for corruption.

Suhair al-Atassi, a rights campaigner, said a demonstration broke out on Tuesday in Homs, despite a heavy security presence, after tanks stormed several neighbourhoods on Sunday and three civilians were killed.

"This regime is playing a losing card by sending tanks into cities and besieging them. Syrians have seen the blood of their compatriots spilt. They will never return to being non-persons," she told Reuters.

Demonstrators have shouted the name of Makhlouf as a symbol of graft in a country that has been facing severe water shortages and unemployment ranging from government estimates of 10 per cent to independent estimates of 25 per cent.

Makhlouf maintains he is a businessman whose companies provide jobs for thousands of Syrians. Most foreign journalists have been banned from Syria.

Presidential adviser Bouthaina Shaaban told a New York Times correspondent allowed into the country for a few hours that the government was close to re-establishing order after unrest it blames on "armed terrorist groups".

"Now we've passed the most dangerous moment... I hope we are witnessing the end of the story." Shaaban said.

Erdogan posters in Baniyas

Security forces have released 300 people detained in Baniyas and restored basic services in the coastal city stormed by tanks and troops last week, according to a human rights group.

Water, telecommunications and electricity had been restored, but tanks remained in major streets, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said on Tuesday.

Two hundred people, including pro-democracy protest leaders were still in jail, it said.

"Scores of those released were severely beaten and subjected to insults. A tank deployed in the square where demonstrations were being held," Rami Abdelrahman, the Observatory director, said.

Human rights campaigners said at least six civilians, including four women, where killed in raids on Sunni neighbourhoods and in an attack on an all-women demonstration just outside Baniyas on Saturday.

Until the uprising began, Assad - from the minority Shia Alawite sect - had been emerging from Western isolation after defying the United States over Iraq and reinforcing an anti- Israel bloc with Iran, increasing Syrian Sunni concerns.

Demonstrators in Baniyas had raised posters of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish prime minister, who has had close ties to Assad, but has disputed the official Syrian account of the violence.

Erdogan said more than 1,000 civilians had died, and he did not want to see a repeat of the 1982 Hama violence or the 1988 gassing of Iraqi Kurds in Halabja, when 5,000 people died.

In southern Syria, four civilians in Tafas were killed as security forces widened a campaign of arrests, a human rights campaigner in the region said, adding that 300 people had been detained since tanks entered the town on Saturday.
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I mean these guys have been coming out to protest and they are dying in their hundreds day after day, after day. these poeple need our support right now. And now Bashar Assad just BOMBED on a ****ing PROTEST!

Please share

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...374683547.html


Army tanks have shelled a residential district in Homs, according to a rights campaigner in the Syrian city which has emerged as the most populous centre of defiance against Bashar al-Assad's rule.
Do they have oil? the U.S. won't care unless they have oil
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Old 05-11-2011, 08:34 AM
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Do they have oil? the U.S. won't care unless they have oil
Oh they have oil.

But you forget, the US also cares if you have heroin or cocaine too. Check colombia and nam.
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1. Left-field Westerners claim that it's just propaganda that there are despotic governments

2. Embittered populace protests against despotic government.

3. Despotic government commits atrocities

4. Left-field Westerners say that something should be done about this and why do we only seem to help out when there is oil?

5. Western governments intervene

6. Left-field Westerners complain that the Western government is picking on a misunderstood foreign nation and it was only propaganda that made it despotic
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Here's the pattern:

1. Left-field Westerners claim that it's just propaganda that there are despotic governments

2. Embittered populace protests against despotic government.

3. Despotic government commits atrocities

4. Left-field Westerners say that something should be done about this and why do we only seem to help out when there is oil?

5. Western governments intervene

6. Left-field Westerners complain that the Western government is picking on a misunderstood foreign nation and it was only propaganda that made it despotic
An English born, Egyptian girl in my Politics class is like this. You know the sort - protests against all and everything because the government is wrong in its every action.

"It's a disgrace that Western government just stand by while atrocities in Libya are allowed to happen."

Western governments take action.

"This whole thing is a mess. What right do Western governments have to intervene in another countries matters? "

It really annoys me.
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I've never protested against the intervention in Libya.

Folks doing that are just KGB led stooges.
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I've never protested against the intervention in Libya.

Folks doing that are just KGB led stooges.
Hope you don't think I was insinuating that you was
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Here's the pattern:

1. Left-field Westerners claim that it's just propaganda that there are despotic governments

2. Embittered populace protests against despotic government.

3. Despotic government commits atrocities

4. Left-field Westerners say that something should be done about this and why do we only seem to help out when there is oil?

5. Western governments intervene

6. Left-field Westerners complain that the Western government is picking on a misunderstood foreign nation and it was only propaganda that made it despotic


you're making this into a Liberal - Conservative issue?

well think about it we intervene in Libya but not in Darfur? Darfur is an actual genocide....

I'm not saying the U.S. should do something because frankly we can't sustain all the wars we're in & we shouldn't be acting like the world police coming to every ones aid when theres so much wrong here at home....

what I am saying is maybe the U.N. should send peacekeepers or the world as a whole should try to do something..
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you're making this into a Liberal - Conservative issue?
No, I went to great pains to avoid doing so.

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well think about it we intervene in Libya but not in Darfur? Darfur is an actual genocide....
Some of the ringleaders have been arrested and charged with crimes against humanity.

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I'm not saying the U.S. should do something because frankly we can't sustain all the wars we're in & we shouldn't be acting like the world police coming to every ones aid when theres so much wrong here at home....

what I am saying is maybe the U.N. should send peacekeepers or the world as a whole should try to do something..
Almost all international military action in the last twenty years has been multi-lateral. The notion that it's just the US is bull.
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Why is anyone surprised at this?

Democracy will never work in those Arab states until they understand the separation of mosque and state.

I know there are some "democratic" countries there but other than Israel, I can't see the same level of freedom we enjoy unless they truly take a secularist approach.

You want democracy there, it won't end good. Just ask the people protesting right now or ask Benazir Bhutto.
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