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Old 04-21-2011, 06:32 PM
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Default Is Oscar De la Hoya a top 20 ATG WW?

I'm not sure, the WW division is historically one of the greatest, deepest, most talented division of all time.

It has fighters like

SRR
Armstrong
Leonard
Gavilan
McLarnin
"Barbados" Walcott
Ross
Griffith
Nopoles
Hearns
Walker
Basillo
Britton
Lewis
Corbett III
Whitaker
Burley
Rodriguez
Ryan
Zivic.

That are 20 fighters that I would say were greater than Oscar at WW. And, then you still have guys like Tito, Duran, Cokes, Cuevas, and Curry who I feel were better WWs than Oscar. Now Oscar might be better in a P4P ATG ranking. But, just at WW I don't think he should rank higher than these guys. If you look at just resume and accomplishment Oscar doesn't really rank up there at WW. He's was a good fighter. And, at the same it's not fair to Oscar because 147 was his 3rd, 4th weight-class. While most of the guys that I named WW is there first weight-class.

I thought Oscar was phenomenal at 135 and 140. I thought at those 2 weight-class he had the perfect combination of speed, power, strength, and size. At 147? Not so much.

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Old 04-21-2011, 06:46 PM
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You're "not sure" are you, Jro? What happened to "You're dead to me" comment with me having him Top 20 Just kidding, bro.

Like I said, I have him #17 or #18. Generally between 15 and 20.

I think it's quite hard to dispute he is a Top 20 ATG WW personally, he definitely is in my book.
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Old 04-21-2011, 07:32 PM
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I wouldn't put him in the top 20 but I don't think its insane, if you have him in the top 10 you probably bought 'ven a mi' on single....
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I wouldn't put him in the top 20 but I don't think its insane, if you have him in the top 10 you probably bought 'ven a mi' on single....
What is your top 20?
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Old 04-21-2011, 08:19 PM
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What is your top 20?
1. Ray Robinson
2. Joe Walcott
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Ray Leonard
5. Kid Gavilan
6. Emile Griffith
7. Jose Napoles
8. Barney Ross
9. Jimmy Mclarnin
10. Thomas Hearns
11. Jack Britton
12. Luis Rodriguez
13. Mickey Walker
14. Charley Burley
15. Carmen Basillio
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Ted 'Kid' Lewis
18. Fritzie Zivic
19. Tommy Ryan
20. Young Corbette III

Didn't put to much thought into the order of 11-20 but they are all greater than DLH at WW IMO, I'd like to see your list now Carlos...
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1. Ray Robinson
2. Joe Walcott
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Ray Leonard
5. Kid Gavilan
6. Emile Griffith
7. Jose Napoles
8. Barney Ross
9. Jimmy Mclarnin
10. Thomas Hearns
11. Jack Britton
12. Luis Rodriguez
13. Mickey Walker
14. Charley Burley
15. Carmen Basillio
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Ted 'Kid' Lewis
18. Fritzie Zivic
19. Tommy Ryan
20. Young Corbette III

Didn't put to much thought into the order of 11-20 but they are all greater than DLH at WW IMO, I'd like to see your list now Carlos...
I don't make lists, I was just curious as to what logic you were using to disregard him as a top 20. I am now wondering how much thought went into that top 20 you just put together....
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I don't make lists, I was just curious as to what logic you were using to disregard him as a top 20. I am now wondering how much thought went into that top 20 you just put together....
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1. Ray Robinson
2. Joe Walcott
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Ray Leonard
5. Kid Gavilan
6. Emile Griffith
7. Jose Napoles
8. Barney Ross
9. Jimmy Mclarnin
10. Thomas Hearns
11. Jack Britton
12. Luis Rodriguez
13. Mickey Walker
14. Charley Burley
15. Carmen Basillio
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Ted 'Kid' Lewis
18. Fritzie Zivic
19. Tommy Ryan
20. Young Corbette III

Didn't put to much thought into the order of 11-20 but they are all greater than DLH at WW IMO, I'd like to see your list now Carlos...
That's exactly how I feel.
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