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Old 02-07-2011, 06:06 PM #21
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Neither was Roy.

Hopkins was ranked no1 in the division and Roy was no.2
maybe by an alphabet belt, which means little since their records are terrible and also they flat out ignore the existance of the belts' champions. In reality, he was around 9th in the division.

good win, but Hopkins was not prime, and Roy being slightly not prime doesnt change that.
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Old 02-07-2011, 06:07 PM #22
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The problem is that the Castillo "win" is not really a win.
How is it not really a win?
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Old 02-07-2011, 06:09 PM #23
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Roy could've had an amazing resume, not saying it's not great because it's pretty good but a lot of great fights weren't made when he was running the sport. You can say the same thing for Floyd as well.
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How is it not really a win?
Cuz' Castillo won that first fight but was robbed.
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maybe by an alphabet belt, which means little since their records are terrible and also they flat out ignore the existance of the belts' champions. In reality, he was around 9th in the division.

good win, but Hopkins was not prime, and Roy being slightly not prime doesnt change that.
Yeah, the sanctioning body was so bad they had the top two middles 1 & 2. Think about it. And no, neither was 9th in that division. Most of the guys who were considered ahead of them at the time were either out the door or...shouldn't have been ahead of them.
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Yeah, the sanctioning body was so bad they had the top two middles 1 & 2. Think about it. And no, neither was 9th in that division. Most of the guys who were considered ahead of them at the time were either out the door or...shouldn't have been ahead of them.
I think he's right. I'm pretty sure The Ring had McClellan, Jackson and a few others a head of both Jones and Hopkins at the time.
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Cuz' Castillo won that first fight but was robbed.
So why are you assuming that I'm talking about the first fight?
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Yeah, the sanctioning body was so bad they had the top two middles 1 & 2. Think about it. And no, neither was 9th in that division. Most of the guys who were considered ahead of them at the time were either out the door or...shouldn't have been ahead of them.
They weren't the top 2 middleweights at the time. Revisionist history at its finest.
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I think he's right. I'm pretty sure The Ring had McClellan, Jackson and a few others a head of both Jones and Hopkins at the time.
Yes, they did. What I meant was that, in retrospect, the top fighters in the division were Jones and Hopkins.
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Yeah, the sanctioning body was so bad they had the top two middles 1 & 2. Think about it. And no, neither was 9th in that division. Most of the guys who were considered ahead of them at the time were either out the door or...shouldn't have been ahead of them.
hmm...debatable. Hopkins was pretty unproven. and although like you said a lot of them were out the door or changing divisions, guys like Toney, McCallum, Jackson, Kalambay, McClellan, and Johnson deserved to be above Hopkins at that present time.

regardless, the Hopkins win was very good, but he flat out was not prime. nor could we guarentee that THAT version of Hopkins could beat the above fighters.
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