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Old 02-01-2011, 04:36 AM
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Obama's first step towards healthcare reform in a country badly needing it was an awkward compromise because of the lobbying power of the insurance companies. The US needs proper universal healthcare.
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Old 02-01-2011, 11:22 AM
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Obama's first step towards healthcare reform in a country badly needing it was an awkward compromise because of the lobbying power of the insurance companies. The US needs proper universal healthcare.
Agreed faggot.
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Old 02-01-2011, 12:25 PM
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Obama's first step towards healthcare reform in a country badly needing it was an awkward compromise because of the lobbying power of the insurance companies. The US needs proper universal healthcare.
Don't you think it might be a good idea for a country more than 14 trillion in debt (a number rapidly approaching our GDP) to cut down on the cost of health care (more than one sixth of our GDP and growing) before even attempting such a thing? Especially when current entitlements, like Medicare and Medicaid are already such a large part of our deficit.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of the handing over of half of my paycheck, that usually accompanies the European style socialized medicine. But I'd certainly be open to it if we're able to get our deficit under control, and do some serious reform of the Ponzi scheme Social Security and Gov union pensions that've bankrupted California.

I'm reminded of Margaret Thatcher's comment about "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:46 PM
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Don't you think it might be a good idea for a country more than 14 trillion in debt (a number rapidly approaching our GDP) to cut down on the cost of health care (more than one sixth of our GDP and growing) before even attempting such a thing? Especially when current entitlements, like Medicare and Medicaid are already such a large part of our deficit.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of the handing over of half of my paycheck, that usually accompanies the European style socialized medicine. But I'd certainly be open to it if we're able to get our deficit under control, and do some serious reform of the Ponzi scheme Social Security and Gov union pensions that've bankrupted California.

I'm reminded of Margaret Thatcher's comment about "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
Yes but isn't the current system we are in adding more to the deficit by not doing anything? The insurance companies get richer, me and you pay out more because there are 30+ million people uninsured and we are the ones picking up the costs.

I agree, this plan isn't perfect but we can't continue with the plan we have now. We are spending more money on health care than the Obama plan.

I'm just tired of companies getting richer, the middle class and the poor getting fuked in the process and having 30+ million Americans without basic health care in a country that spends as much as we do per year.

We should give people basic health care who can't provide it for themselves. Isn't that the Christian thing to do? Yet the Christian right doesn't want it.....strange.

I think if Jesus was alive today, he would be a socialist.
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You can't force us to buy shit bitch.

Barky wanted everyone to buy insurance to bailout the big insurance companies like the taxpayers bailed out the bankers that run and own him.

Sorry Bailout Barky, your Insurance company bailout is a failure just like your U.S birth certificate.


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U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson ruled that the reform law's so-called individual mandate went too far in requiring that Americans start buying health insurance in 2014 or pay a penalty.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...ame=healthNews


Glad that sh*t is a failure, the hell is that forcing ppl to buy health insurance and if u dont u get a penalty for it.

fuck that

i would totally support obamas impeachment.

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Don't you think it might be a good idea for a country more than 14 trillion in debt (a number rapidly approaching our GDP) to cut down on the cost of health care (more than one sixth of our GDP and growing) before even attempting such a thing? Especially when current entitlements, like Medicare and Medicaid are already such a large part of our deficit.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of the handing over of half of my paycheck, that usually accompanies the European style socialized medicine. But I'd certainly be open to it if we're able to get our deficit under control, and do some serious reform of the Ponzi scheme Social Security and Gov union pensions that've bankrupted California.

I'm reminded of Margaret Thatcher's comment about "the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
You're so full of **** its remarkable. Medicare, Social Security and all the "entitlements" you're talking about is stuff people pay into all their lives.

Its not an entitlement, it belongs to them.

Those aren't the reasons the countries in debt.

Its because the Treasury BORROWS MONEY AT INTEREST FROM THE FED.

THE DEBT IS MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PAY BACK NO MATTER HOW MANY PROGRAMS YOU GUT AND CUT.

Healthcare is a right not a privilege anyone who says otherwise is an idiot right wing reactionary or a barbarian in drag.

God forbid you ever get sick and can't afford care.
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Don't you think it might be a good idea for a country more than 14 trillion in debt (a number rapidly approaching our GDP) to cut down on the cost of health care (more than one sixth of our GDP and growing) before even attempting such a thing? Especially when current entitlements, like Medicare and Medicaid are already such a large part of our deficit.
No I don't. Sickness costs money, reduces productivity and reduces revenues. Universal healthcare means that less money is spent on critical care of lower income people who can have chronic conditions dealt with before they turn into major issues.
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Yes but isn't the current system we are in adding more to the deficit by not doing anything? The insurance companies get richer, me and you pay out more because there are 30+ million people uninsured and we are the ones picking up the costs.

I agree, this plan isn't perfect but we can't continue with the plan we have now. We are spending more money on health care than the Obama plan.

I'm just tired of companies getting richer, the middle class and the poor getting fuked in the process and having 30+ million Americans without basic health care in a country that spends as much as we do per year.

We should give people basic health care who can't provide it for themselves. Isn't that the Christian thing to do? Yet the Christian right doesn't want it.....strange.

I think if Jesus was alive today, he would be a socialist.
Good lord, you're starting to sound like the drones pre 08 election, running around proclaiming "Jesus was a community organizer !!!!!!!!!"

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You're so full of **** its remarkable. Medicare, Social Security and all the "entitlements" you're talking about is stuff people pay into all their lives.

Its not an entitlement, it belongs to them.

Those aren't the reasons the countries in debt.

Its because the Treasury BORROWS MONEY AT INTEREST FROM THE FED.

THE DEBT IS MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PAY BACK NO MATTER HOW MANY PROGRAMS YOU GUT AND CUT.

Healthcare is a right not a privilege anyone who says otherwise is an idiot right wing reactionary or a barbarian in drag.

God forbid you ever get sick and can't afford care.
I used to think you were simply naive, perhaps a little misguided. But it is becoming painfully obvious that you're not merely stupid, but dangerously so.

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No I don't. Sickness costs money, reduces productivity and reduces revenues. Universal healthcare means that less money is spent on critical care of lower income people who can have chronic conditions dealt with before they turn into major issues.
How on earth did the most successful nation in the history of the world ever survive 235 odd years without it then?

Back in 05, 100 million Americans were covered by some sort of government program (Medicare, Medicaid, military and federal employee health care plans) and more than 10 million more qualified for Medicaid, but hadn't signed up. And nobody, regardless of citizenship, can be turned away from any hospital with a life threatening condition.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...medicaid_x.htm

The health care "crisis" in this country is more about the total cost, than anything else. And this new bill has done nothing to address that. In fact premiums have already started to go up significantly.

The sheer idiocy of adding entitlements during a recession baffles me to no end. But people that think deficits don't matter, or have no idea how capital is created, don't seem to care one way or another.
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Obamacare sucks but the last thing health insurance companies needed was q bailout.
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