Manny and Floyd: The Double Standard

[ColdCa$hCanelo]

Originally Posted by shogun tua

GTFOH with that BS...
anyway... what about Freddies 'normal' testing for Shane Mosely.

anyone?

Has Shane admitted to past steroid use?

Yes.


Thank you,

end of story,

goodbye.

[G A M E]

Originally Posted by Johnny Chingas

Has Shane admitted to past steroid use?

Yes.


Thank you,

end of story,

goodbye.

was he caught with the 'normal sanctioned commission' tests?

your welcome

[Carpe Diem]

Originally Posted by THe TRiNiTY

Every group of fans sets double standards. You talk about their favorite fighter, and all of a sudden any round or fight they've lsot has a reason or an excuse behind it. Whereas, that same person would say "it doesn't matter, still happened" when discussing a fighter they have no interest in or even have a hatred for.

Manny's fans and Floyd's fans are no different.

NOTE: For the record, I'm not talking about moderate or casual fans of any kind, I'm talking about extremist.

Agree. Even the true fans of both Floyd and Pac are extremely biased at times.

[ShoguNinja]

Originally Posted by MrBOXINGTODAY

The fight that the world wants to see is Mayweather vs Pacquiao. The question is will it ever happen? Some believe that there is entirely too much money at stake to forgo this mega fight. It's been documented that the Mayweather camp believes that Pacquiao is using performance enhancing drugs and his refusal to take the Olympic style testing backs their claims. Floyd Mayweather himself has said in recent youtube clips that Pacquaio is on "power pellets", in other words steroids. The reason they believe this is because of the newly found energy,stamina and punch resistance Manny has exhibited against De La Hoya,Hatton, Cotto, Clottey and Margarito. A lot fans and boxing insiders believe that Manny is just a natural athlete who has dedicated his life to his craft. Did you notice anything unnatural about his last five fights? I certainly didn't, but it's not about what you or I think. Until Manny decides to take the test Floyd will never share the ring with him.


What if the scenario was reversed and it was Floyd who didn't want to take the test? No need to ponder an answer. He would be getting treated the same way he is now for asking Manny to take the test. See, that's where the double standard comes in to play. Somewhere in the mist of the Pacman destroying his last five opponents Floyd has lost the respect of many fans. But somehow Manny is excused for fighting the Mayweather left overs. The same guys some of you cursed Floyd for facing. Somehow it's ok for Manny to fight Oscar,Hatton, Marquez and Mosley. Besides the De La Hoya victory, Floyd was given no credit but excuses like "he's over the hill" or my personal favorite "he was too small". Then why aren't these same fighters too small for Pacquiao? Is the double standard do to race?

Why doesn't the media ever talk about the statements that Murad Muhammed said about Manny being "built" up. If anyone outside the Pacquiao camp knows whats going on it's ex-promoter Murad. Murad stated he made sure Manny fought no top level African American fighters when he came to America. It has been proven in many sports like the NFL and the NBA that to be considered the best you have to compete against African American athletes. Manny will finally fight an African American, enter Pomona, California native Shane Mosley. I guess a 38 year old shopworn and most importantly free agent Mosley is the perfect foe. Shane has been chasing this fight since last year when he said he would drop down to 142 pounds to fight Pacquiao. Either way it goes once Manny beats Shane he will be awarded status as the people champ when Floyd already beat the will out Mosley last May of 2010. I have came to the conclusion that no matter who Mayweather beats it won't be enough to satisfy the most media and fans. Im not claiming Floyd to be the best ever but he is certainly an all time great fighter. Ray Leonard dodged a fight with Marvin Hagler for five years. Yet he is considered an all time legend which he certainly is. Mike Tyson dodged a fight with George Foreman in 1990 and did the same with Lennox Lewis in 1996 for a reported 40 million dollars, yet only Floyd gets blasted for "ducking". I don't hear anyone calling Tyson a ducker. What about Oscar "ducking" the rematch with Trinidad? Is he a ducker? Floyd wants Manny to take the test, is that too much to ask or is it a double standard?

The Boxing Socialist is here?! Nice try Dude! Did you copy/paste this article from their "joke" blogsite?!

[el salsalero]

OST: the favorite excuse of *****-diots for KFC to duck Manny Pac.

Martinez
Marquez
Mosley
Berto
Bradley
Alexander
Khan
Saul Alvarez

all wants to fight Pacquiao without OST......

only a special flower wanted one, why is that?

[ADP02]

Originally Posted by MrBOXINGTODAY

.......... It's been documented that the Mayweather camp believes that Pacquiao is using performance enhancing drugs and his refusal to take the Olympic style testing backs their claims. Floyd Mayweather himself has said in recent youtube clips that Pacquaio is on "power pellets", in other words steroids. ................ Until Manny decides to take the test Floyd will never share the ring with him.


What if the scenario was reversed and it was Floyd who didn't want to take the test? .......................

Manny will finally fight an African American, enter Pomona, California native Shane Mosley. I guess a 38 year old ........Either way it goes once Manny beats Shane he will be awarded status as the people champ when Floyd already beat the will out Mosley last May of 2010. I have came to the conclusion that no matter who Mayweather beats it won't be enough to satisfy the most media and fans. ................ Floyd wants Manny to take the test, is that too much to ask or is it a double standard?

No double standards. Manny has been accused of PEDs with no facts yet YOU and others keep on bringing it up. So STOP with your idiotic double standards. It's over a year now and I have yet to see any proof but yet you bring it up again. You want writers, networks, to constantly bring this up BUT AGAIN, with NO PROOF, WHY??? Do you just want to see someone get sued?


Floyd vs Mosley:
Floyd said it himself BEFORE the Mosley fight that Mosley is OLD therefore his game plan would revolve around that deficiency of Mosley..... but after the fight he doesn't understand why others are downplaying that win and saying that Mosley is OLD, inactive for 16 months and possibly over-trained. See the problem is NOT about double standards!

Manny vs Mosley:
Mosley is NOT getting any younger so Mosley remains old ... this has been said by Manny fans as well ....See the problem is NOT about double standards!

You said, "Floyd wants Manny to take the test, is that too much to ask or is it a double standard?" ..... didn't you hear by now that Manny said he would do it up to 7 days and even made comments that he would take a test between rounds ... YET YOU ARE STILL ON THIS SUBJECT???


Your idol said he is not fighting Manny and prefers to be on an extended vacation. So don't blame Manny, blame Floyd. Yet you blame this solely on Manny? Talk about double standards!!!

[deepdarkdanger]

Originally Posted by MrBOXINGTODAY

The fight that the world wants to see is Mayweather vs Pacquiao. The question is will it ever happen? Some believe that there is entirely too much money at stake to forgo this mega fight. It's been documented that the Mayweather camp believes that Pacquiao is using performance enhancing drugs and his refusal to take the Olympic style testing backs their claims. Floyd Mayweather himself has said in recent youtube clips that Pacquaio is on "power pellets", in other words steroids. The reason they believe this is because of the newly found energy,stamina and punch resistance Manny has exhibited against De La Hoya,Hatton, Cotto, Clottey and Margarito. A lot fans and boxing insiders believe that Manny is just a natural athlete who has dedicated his life to his craft. Did you notice anything unnatural about his last five fights? I certainly didn't, but it's not about what you or I think. Until Manny decides to take the test Floyd will never share the ring with him.


What if the scenario was reversed and it was Floyd who didn't want to take the test? No need to ponder an answer. He would be getting treated the same way he is now for asking Manny to take the test. See, that's where the double standard comes in to play. Somewhere in the mist of the Pacman destroying his last five opponents Floyd has lost the respect of many fans. But somehow Manny is excused for fighting the Mayweather left overs. The same guys some of you cursed Floyd for facing. Somehow it's ok for Manny to fight Oscar,Hatton, Marquez and Mosley. Besides the De La Hoya victory, Floyd was given no credit but excuses like "he's over the hill" or my personal favorite "he was too small". Then why aren't these same fighters too small for Pacquiao? Is the double standard do to race?

Why doesn't the media ever talk about the statements that Murad Muhammed said about Manny being "built" up. If anyone outside the Pacquiao camp knows whats going on it's ex-promoter Murad. Murad stated he made sure Manny fought no top level African American fighters when he came to America. It has been proven in many sports like the NFL and the NBA that to be considered the best you have to compete against African American athletes. Manny will finally fight an African American, enter Pomona, California native Shane Mosley. I guess a 38 year old shopworn and most importantly free agent Mosley is the perfect foe. Shane has been chasing this fight since last year when he said he would drop down to 142 pounds to fight Pacquiao. Either way it goes once Manny beats Shane he will be awarded status as the people champ when Floyd already beat the will out Mosley last May of 2010. I have came to the conclusion that no matter who Mayweather beats it won't be enough to satisfy the most media and fans. Im not claiming Floyd to be the best ever but he is certainly an all time great fighter. Ray Leonard dodged a fight with Marvin Hagler for five years. Yet he is considered an all time legend which he certainly is. Mike Tyson dodged a fight with George Foreman in 1990 and did the same with Lennox Lewis in 1996 for a reported 40 million dollars, yet only Floyd gets blasted for "ducking". I don't hear anyone calling Tyson a ducker. What about Oscar "ducking" the rematch with Trinidad? Is he a ducker? Floyd wants Manny to take the test, is that too much to ask or is it a double standard?

You provide some food for thought....but can you honestly say that floyd is not open to massive criticism, he's a great, great boxer....but skills alone don't give him a free ride, which he seems to want. You can't say the same about Pac, Tyson, Lewis to use your examples.

Floyd gets grief because he hasn't shown the desire to prove that he is the greatest, to really test himself against the best and put it all on the line like other greats have....and also because he's an arse. I don't believe race has much do with this at all.

[McFearless]

Originally Posted by P4P305

Agree. Even the true fans of both Floyd and Pac are extremely biased at times.

And that's putting it lightly.
They're what's killing boxing! Lol

[ColdCa$hCanelo]

Originally Posted by shogun tua

was he caught with the 'normal sanctioned commission' tests?

your welcome

No, but others have been.


Game over.

[Monte Fisto]

Originally Posted by shogun tua

was he caught with the 'normal sanctioned commission' tests?

your welcome

It doesn't matter, PAC already agreed to OSTs with a 7 day cutoff and testing right after the fight. Conte also said that taking PEDs with the fight days away will have no positive effects anyway.