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Old 01-28-2011, 07:10 AM
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Japan has 6 champions , USA has 7 champions, Germany also has 7 champions not including Klitschko brothers. But this weekend after the fight Bradley/Alexander USA will have only 6 champions. Boxing in USA seriously declining.
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:11 AM
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how many of these "germans" are actually German?
not many...most of them are eastern european
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:12 AM
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never like in Germany
controversial decisions are fewer lately
counting last year in germany i can only name karmazin vs sylvester and sbik vs the argie dude
while in the us i dont know where to begin, soto karass vs jones, alexander vs kotelnik judah vs mathysse, mccall oquendo of the top of my head
there is also foreign guys with american promoters who get controversial wins like khan for example
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:14 AM
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Germans still keeping them belts hostage with b.s decisions,
they even rob the women over there too
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:18 AM
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Japan has 6 champions , USA has 7 champions, Germany also has 7 champions not including Klitschko brothers. But this weekend after the fight Bradley/Alexander USA will have only 6 champions. Boxing in USA seriously declining.
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Huck. Born in Serbia
Braehmer - German
Stieglitz - Russian
Sartizan is not a champion. Ward is WBA champ. and he was born in Kazakhstan anyway
Sturm - german
Zbik - German
Sylvester - German

so 4 Germans then. 3 of which are MWs, who Martinez is the daddy of

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Old 01-28-2011, 07:20 AM
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7=

Huck. Born in Serbia
Braehmer - German
Stieglitz - Russian
Sartizan is not a champion. Ward is WBA champ. and he was born in Kazakhstan anyway
Sturm - german
Zbik - German
Sylvester - German

so 4 Germans then
true that is, Sturm is called Adnan Catic in real, he's bosnian muslim
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:22 AM
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true that is, Sturm is called Adnan Catic in real, he's bosnian muslim
his parents moved to Germany though and he was born and raised there so he is a German whether he likes it or not!
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:24 AM
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Germans still keeping them belts hostage with b.s decisions,
they even rob the women over there too
female boxing is a big thing over there and yes there are a lot of controversial calls, probably in the us too but since it isnt mainstream we cant know for sure
us champs are keeping belts hostage as well by your logic, sure dirrel went to england but most of them dont bother to get out of their state like ward
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:32 AM
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Huck. Born in Serbia
Braehmer - German
Stieglitz - Russian
Sartizan is not a champion. Ward is WBA champ. and he was born in Kazakhstan anyway
Sturm - german
Zbik - German
Sylvester - German

so 4 Germans then. 3 of which are MWs, who Martinez is the daddy of
uh martinez has only fought once at middleweight, i guess pacquiao is the daddy of berto and mosley too
the main point of this thread is how americans have diminished their presence in boxing in terms of champions
there isnt any division where they have the best fighter right now, while last year they had campbell pavlik dawson all of them have lost their credibility and have been replaced as top dogs
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:33 AM
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how many of these "germans" are actually German?
Sebastian Sylvester, Jürgen Brähmer, Sebastian Zbik and Felix Sturm were born in Germany. Sturm has Bosnian descent (no big deal, a lot of people in Germany have parents from former Yugoslavia, since they were fugitives during the horrible Balkan War).

Champions with German citizenship, who were not born in Germany:

Marco Huck - born in Serbia, Bosnian descent, in Germany since he was 11 years old, German citizenship since 2009

Robert Stieglitz - born in Russia, In Germany since he was around 18 years old, German citizenship since 2009

I don't have a problem with anyone coming to another country trying to make a better life for themselves and their family, I think it's great that those possibilities exist and I applaud them for taking them and succeeding.
The issue that I have is the ridiculous name changing from their promoters to make them seem more "German". Felix Sturm was born as Adnan ***262;ati***263;, Marco Huck as Muamer Huki***263; and Robert Stieglitz as Sergei Stieglitz, for example. Artur Abrahams birth name is Awetik Abrahamjan (born in Armenia), by the way, but he is no champion at the moment.

Who else did I miss? Those are 6, I can't think of another German champion...
The Klitschkos don't count, they live/lived in Germany and were with Universum for a long time, but they have Ukrainian citizenship.

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