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View Poll Results: Where should Ward vs Abraham fight take place.
Wardtown, where every butt is accidental 3 7.14%
Germany, where you need a KO to get a Draw 20 47.62%
Neutral venue, but where? 19 45.24%
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Andre Ward would beat Abraham anywhere!! Let them do it in Germany
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But if he fights Abraham in Germany, he'll use that as an excuse to fight Froch/Johnson in Oakland.

He's likely to beat Abraham anyway. Let him fight Arthur in Oakland, and then Froch (if he wins) in England.
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Ideally, it'd be in neutral territory with all neutral everything, but since it doesn't work like that, he should go to Germany. It will draw a good crowd and it's only fair.
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I don't think you can call the US a neutral venue and the judging and reffing in Oakland have been a disgrace too.
Don't base the whole US on Oakland. The U.S. aint biased against anybody, sure there are robberys there are bad decions but it's against everybody. Malignaggi got robbed against Diaz, both were Americans... Calzaghe won a razor thin split decision against B-Hop in a fight that could have gone either way.... In Germany the ref, the judges will ALWAYS favor the German or Germany based fighter...

And don't bring up Haye - Valuev because Haye as bad as he looked and as inactive as he was he completley outboxed Valuev for the whole fight, and Haye was with Sauerland(Germany promotion firm). If Haye wasn't with Sauerland he would have gotten robbed in that fight guaranteed( he probably deserved it though considering all the **** he has pulled since then).
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But if he fights Abraham in Germany, he'll use that as an excuse to fight Froch/Johnson in Oakland.

He's likely to beat Abraham anyway. Let him fight Arthur in Oakland, and then Froch (if he wins) in England.
It's been always known that the finals are going to be in the states in a neutral venue.

Ward-Abraham is probably going to be in Vegas, but thats stupid too. Abraham doesnt deserve to have a neutral venue after losing 2 straight where tickets wont sell.
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Don't base the whole US on Oakland. The U.S. aint biased against anybody, sure there are robberys there are bad decions but it's against everybody. Malignaggi got robbed against Diaz, both were Americans... Calzaghe won a razor thin split decision against B-Hop in a fight that could have gone either way.... In Germany the ref, the judges will ALWAYS favor the German or Germany based fighter...

And don't bring up Haye - Valuev because Haye as bad as he looked and as inactive as he was he completley outboxed Valuev for the whole fight, and Haye was with Sauerland(Germany promotion firm). If Haye wasn't with Sauerland he would have gotten robbed in that fight guaranteed( he probably deserved it though considering all the **** he has pulled since then).

Vegas refs and judges are the best in the world IMO but still get some scratch your head decisions. Mainly when they favour the favourite.

There a still a lot a place in America where they favour the American fight. Lewis vs Holyfield at MSG, a disgraceful decision.
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Abraham has been exposed and he's done... Ward can fight Abraham in Germany at his house in his kitchen and he'd still win...
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It's been always known that the finals are going to be in the states in a neutral venue.

Ward-Abraham is probably going to be in Vegas, but thats stupid too. Abraham doesnt deserve to have a neutral venue after losing 2 straight where tickets wont sell.
Ward had a small crowd in Oakland for the Bika fight. Let's be honest, his "headbutt & hit while holding" isn't much fun to watch.

Ward has had his two Super Six fights at home, Abraham has had his last two in his opponent's home town and in a neutral location.
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Vegas refs and judges are the best in the world IMO but still get some scratch your head decisions. Mainly when they favour the favourite.

There a still a lot a place in America where they favour the American fight. Lewis vs Holyfield at MSG, a disgraceful decision.
Name a place better than the U.S. when it comes to decisions. Germany and the UK is certenley alot worse, Canada is pretty bad(see pascal-hopkins).

There have loads of fights were Americans got robbed and there have been loads of fights where the foreign fighter got a more than fair decision.
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Let's face it, no place is neutral any more in boxing. Boxing in general is corrupted.

People act like close fights in US never go to the visiting fighter. They are forgetting Calzaghe-Hopkins. A fight were most people thought Hopkins won. Judge Chuck Giampa is an American and he had a wide score of 116-111 for Calzaghe. Ted Gimza, another American judge, had the fight a little closer 115-112 for Calzaghe. And finally Adalaide Byrd, another American judge had Hopkins winning a close fight fight 113-114.

If it was in the UK, scores would have been 120-108 across, all for Calzaghe[the knock down would have been ruled a slip].

And we all saw what happened to Dirrell in Nottingham.

So much for Americans being the bad guys.
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