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Old 01-10-2011, 02:43 PM
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So even though they called themselves socialists I'm supposed to believe some harebrained homosexual from Las Vegas because you said so?

Hitler was a vegetarian, quite possibly a homosexual and was for gun control.

Fascism is when banks and corporations buy the government and rule. Like in the U.S.

Like Obama's insurance co' bailout that you stupidly call "healthcare reform"..

You know the one where the government is going to force people to BUY insurance from private corporations? The one that gives the big insurance companies 50 million new customers and has the IRS enforce non compliance?

You knew about that right? After all, you know things right?





I'm not forgetting anything. Hitler locked up everyone who didn't pledge allegiance to him. Ideology also had nothing to do with the Russians, he wanted to conquer Europe and Russia was in the way.



I'm a neocon now am I?

Even though I'm anti war, anti torture, anti indefinite detention, pro constitution and pro liberty and pro peace?

You're confused man.
lol, you are the one who is confused.
and being a homosexual has nothing to do with ideology.. there are many conservatives who like the ****. that's why they are always getting caught up in gay sex scandals over here in america.
matter of fact.. you might be in the closet yourself. i sense a lot of homophobia coming from your direction, a little insecure about your sexual preference there guy?


anyway Hitler was about:

Individualism over collectivism.
Racism or racial segregation over racial tolerance.
Eugenics over freedom of reproduction.
Merit over equality.
Competition over cooperation.
Power politics and militarism over pacifism.
One-person rule or self-rule over democracy.
Capitalism over Marxism.
Realism over idealism.
Nationalism over internationalism.
Exclusiveness over inclusiveness.
Meat-eating over vegetarianism.
Gun ownership over gun control
Common sense over theory or science.
Pragmatism over principle.
Religion over secularism.

yeah, he was some Socialist

and the rest of the **** you posted which I'm sure you just took from the mouth of Alex Jones and therefor warranted it as absolute truth, since he's your savior and all.. has nothing to do with what we are talking about really. get off Bama's nuts man.. we aren't even talking about him.



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His sources of information consist of whatever is said in extremist republican media and circles. Why bother? You won't change his biased perception of things.

you are right. why bother...
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Old 01-10-2011, 02:46 PM
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Hitler wasn't a socialist, he was a facist. If you knew anything about government or politics, you would know this. Because "socialist" was in the Nazi parties name does not mean the party is in fact socialist. Hitler was as far right wing as right wing could be.

You are forgetting to mention that Hitler also locked Communists in camps and was fighting the CCCP, which was a Communist country. If he really shared the same ideology they wouldn't have been confrontational.

but i'm not at all surprised at you trying to skewer the facts to fit your agenda.. after all, you are a neocon.
Educate yourself kiddo.



Hitler is the one closest to the center. Communism and Facism are not diametrically opposed, but this does seem to be a common fallacy perpetuated by the left. Probably so they can call Republicans facists.
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Old 01-10-2011, 02:54 PM
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Educate yourself kiddo.



Hitler is the one closest to the center. Communism and Facism are not diametrically opposed, but this does seem to be a common fallacy perpetuated by the left. Probably so they can call Republicans facists.
I think that's just a complex, maybe? I'm not going to at all deny Stalin wasn't a liberal.
I know he was.. a bat **** crazy one. When anyone says Hitler was a Conservative though, a lot of them swear it's an attack against them.
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Do you think the party advocated the doctrine implied by its name?

Is that intelligible enough for you?
For those in the party, yes.


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anyway Hitler was about:

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Individualism over collectivism.
Is that why he locked up anyone who was an individual?

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Racism or racial segregation over racial tolerance.
You mean like the Democrats in the south?

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Eugenics over freedom of reproduction.
Do you know what Eugenics is? Its depopulation through abortion. You two have something in common.

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Merit over equality.
Whats wrong with that? People should be judged on their merits.

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Competition over cooperation.
What areas of the German economy were booming under Hitler? Can you name them?

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Power politics and militarism over pacifism.
You can apply that to just about any country with a powerful military.

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One-person rule or self-rule over democracy.
So he was an authoritiarian?

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Capitalism over Marxism.
You're going to call Hitler a capitalist?


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Realism over idealism.
So?

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Nationalism over internationalism.
So?
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Exclusiveness over inclusiveness.
lol...

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Meat-eating over vegetarianism.
He was a vegetarian.

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Gun ownership over gun control
One of the first things he did when he took power was disarm the population.
lol..

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Common sense over theory or science.
Nazi science was some of the most advanced in the world and everyone including the U.s knew this which is why they scooped up all their best and brightest in a little thing called operation paperclip.

lol..
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Pragmatism over principle.
these aren't mutually exclusive, but you copied and pasted this so I don't think you care.

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Religion over secularism.
Who did Hitler worship?

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yeah, he was some Socialist
I don't think you're qualified to categorize him in any way after what you just copied and pasted.

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get off Bama's nuts man.. we aren't even talking about him.

I showed you a clear example of fascism in practice and you ignored it.
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Old 01-10-2011, 03:12 PM
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Eugenics is the "applied science or the biosocial movement which advocates the use of practices aimed at improving the genetic composition of a population."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

hitler was a christian, or at least he gained power through christianity, germany was a very christian country at the time..

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2



and the dixiecrats where conservatives.. if you were american you would know this. however, you are a green tooth limey that's trying to dabble in a countries politics that you don't understand.

let me ask you something.. why don't you see liberals flying the confederate flag today?
because it isn't a liberal ideology. the republican party at one point in time was the liberal party of america. political parties tend to change in the matter of a hundred years.. I mean you would only think so.
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Old 01-10-2011, 03:23 PM
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Is that why he locked up anyone who was an individual?
Anyone who was not a sycophant or idolater, yes. Anyone who did not fit his vision of purity for the German people. Yet another example of his and your myopic views. Diversity is strength, but you seem to feel otherwise. Only insects specialize. Perhaps you should revert to that alias.


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You mean like the Democrats in the south?
If democrats practice these things then they are only democrats in name, not in practice.

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Do you know what Eugenics is? Its depopulation through abortion. You two have something in common.
Actually, isn't it a movement which advocates (espouses) pedigree and excellence in a gene pool, not depopulation? Whatever...the point being that he was involved in genocide and ethnic cleansing.



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Whats wrong with that? People should be judged on their merits.
republicans would argue that everyone, every single person, who is not employed at present finds himself so because he was not competitive enough to keep his position. It has nothing to do with corporations keeping more profit for themselves, overextending themselves financially in their gambits and not reinvesting. No, clearly it is ONLY because people have no initiative and lack 'work ethic'.

Merit over equality means less about what one is has labored to earn but what one is perceived to intrinsically warrant (merit). So, the German people merited more than the Jews because they were 'superior' according to their dogmas.

That was a disingenuous response, and you know it.

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What areas of the German economy were booming under Hitler? Can you name them?
Can you? Or will you just do your research and regurgitate here?


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You can apply that to just about any country with a powerful military.
No brainer.



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So he was an authoritiarian?
He was an autocrat.

The only other point that was weak was your dismissal of nationalism over internationalism. Patriotism connotes allegiance and love of one's country. Nationalism connotes fanaticism and ethnocentrism.
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lol, people still arguing about sides.


Both parties suck.

Both parties have ran this place to where we are today.

Its sickening trying to use this event to prop up one side and down the other. Red, blue, left, right,

does it really matter when we all suffer the consequences of their actions and those who you root for don't really give a **** about you?

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Eugenics is the "applied science or the biosocial movement which advocates the use of practices aimed at improving the genetic composition of a population."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
Eugenics is population control to sterilization and abortion. I don't need Wikipedia to put words in my mouth for me.


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hitler was a christian, or at least he gained power through christianity, germany was a very christian country at the time..
So he gained power through Christianity huh?



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I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2
What creator is that? You'll never learn anything through copy and paste kid.


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and the dixiecrats where conservatives.. if you were american you would know this. however, you are a green tooth limey that's trying to dabble in a countries politics that you don't understand.
You mean Al Gore's dad was a "conservative" or how bout Robert Byrd?

was he a conservative too? Do you even know what conservative means?


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let me ask you something.. why don't you see liberals flying the confederate flag today?
Because I live in West London?

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because it isn't a liberal ideology. the republican party at one point in time was the liberal party of america. political parties tend to change in the matter of a hundred years.. I mean you would only think so.
You don't know what liberalism is. Thomas Jefferson was a liberal in the classical sense. What you support is fascism and you're too stupid to know it.


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Anyone who was not a sycophant or idolater, yes. Anyone who did not fit his vision of purity for the German people. Yet another example of his and your myopic views. Diversity is strength, but you seem to feel otherwise. Only insects specialize. Perhaps you should revert to that alias.
You asked me a question and I answered it, now you're going off on random unintelligible tangents about diversity?

Seek help.




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If democrats practice these things then they are only democrats in name, not in practice.
They are democrats in name and in practice. The same ones that paid lip service to being anti war only to continue to vote for war and war funding.

The ones that behave just like "republicans"?





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republicans would argue that everyone, every single person, who is not employed at present finds himself so because he was not competitive enough to keep his position. It has nothing to do with corporations keeping more profit for themselves, overextending themselves financially in their gambits and not reinvesting. No, clearly it is ONLY because people have no initiative and lack 'work ethic'.
Again, another random tangent. I'm not your therapist man. Stick to the topic or stop replying to me. I've never seen such convoluted pseudo shit in my life.


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Merit over equality means less about what one is has labored to earn but what one is perceived to intrinsically warrant (merit). So, the German people merited more than the Jews because they were 'superior' according to their dogmas.
What are you saying?





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Can you? Or will you just do your research and regurgitate here?
I didn't make the claim, he did. Please try to stick to the topic. But off the top of my head I'd have to say that their only industry was umm....... war?


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He was an autocrat.

The only other point that was weak was your dismissal of nationalism over internationalism. Patriotism connotes allegiance and love of one's country. Nationalism connotes fanaticism and ethnocentrism.
He was a totalitarian. Go debate your "ism's" with someone of your basic level of understanding.
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So even though they called themselves socialists I'm supposed to believe some harebrained homosexual from Las Vegas because you said so?

Hitler was a vegetarian, quite possibly a homosexual and was for gun control.

Fascism is when banks and corporations buy the government and rule. Like in the U.S.

Like Obama's insurance co' bailout that you stupidly call "healthcare reform"..

You know the one where the government is going to force people to BUY insurance from private corporations? The one that gives the big insurance companies 50 million new customers and has the IRS enforce non compliance?

You knew about that right? After all, you know things right?





I'm not forgetting anything. Hitler locked up everyone who didn't pledge allegiance to him. Ideology also had nothing to do with the Russians, he wanted to conquer Europe and Russia was in the way.



I'm a neocon now am I?

Even though I'm anti war, anti torture, anti indefinite detention, pro constitution and pro liberty and pro peace?

You're confused man.
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