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Old 12-04-2010, 03:59 PM
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A Hearns or Forrest type of fighter, or a relentless, explosive fighter (preferably southpaw)
I agree!

it take pure boxing skills to beat a slick fighter...or just a lucky punch

but guys with Boxing Skills and Patients like the late Vernon Forrest, Sergio Mora uses a slick style, he was able to beat Vernon the first time...but the second time around Vernon just broke Mora down Mentally and Physically, he just BOXED that second fight instead of chasing him around and throwing wild punches and missing like so many people do

Winky Wright also did well against Slick Fighters
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Old 12-04-2010, 04:10 PM
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Old 12-04-2010, 04:10 PM
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I can try to speak of a strategy. Most fast fighters have great speed but also have poor stamina. It's just the way most humans are made. Watch any high school track meet and you'll see that as incredible as black sprinters are-- blacks tend to rarely do well in the distance events. Fast fighters are ok if you let them set the pace. If you can put constant pressure on them they get tired much, much faster. Notice how fast fighters also tend to have low body fat-- that's because they have low energy reserves/body fat. That's why Mayweather struggled so mightily against Castillo's pressure but dealt so easily vs Mosely-- who's a much, much better fighter than Castillo. I'd instruct my fighter to constantly pressure and constantly shoot straight punches(which arrive faster than hooks-- minimizing the speed disadvantage, tire you less when you miss and don't leave you as open to the punches you tend to not see from a faster fighter) up the middle(head and body) and not open up too much with hooks until the opponent has slowed down.
Kenyans ruled at yesterday's New York City Marathon, as Martin Lel and Margaret Okayo won the men's and women's crowns, respectively. It was the fifth time a Kenyan man has won the race since 1997, and the fifth time for a Kenyan woman since 1994. In addition, Kenyan men have won all but one of the past 12 Boston Marathons.* Why are Kenyans such successful distance runners?

There are a few popular theories, which break along nature-versus-nurture lines. The vast majority of Kenya's brightest running stars were born and raised at high altitude. Running at higher elevations builds greater lung capacity, because athletes grow accustomed to the thinner air. Many of the finest runners, for example, hail from the hilly region surrounding Eldoret, about 7,000 to 8,000 feet above sea level. This area also possesses a fairly mild climate that allows for year-round running.
If altitude alone determined distance-running success, of course, then Nepalese marathoners would dominate. So, perhaps a more important factor is the nation's running culture, particularly among the Kalenjin tribe. Though Kalenjins represent just 12 percent of Kenya's population, they comprise about three-quarters of the nation's elite runners. The trend started with Kip Keino, who won Olympic gold in the 1,500 meters in 1968 and added an Olympic steeplechase title in 1972. The ex-policeman's success inspired succeeding generations of Kalenjins, who grew up idolizing Keino. As a result, Kalenjins now aspire to distance-running titles in the same way American youths dream of playing in a Super Bowl. (Okayo, who set a new course record for women in New York, is one of the few Kenyan marathon stars not of Kalenjin extraction.)
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Because interest in running is so high, competition to make traveling squads is intense, and Kenyan training regimes are notoriously difficult. And many young Kenyans view distance running as a ticket out of poverty. Kalenjins, in particular, grow up seeing the wealth of returning marathon champions, whose relatively modest earnings abroad—the top prize at New York was $100,000—make them rich men and women by Eldoret standards.
Physiology and genetics may also factor into the Kenyans' accomplishments. In 2000, the Danish Sports Science Institute published a study that compared the distance-running prowess of several Kalenjin youths—all of them competitive neophytes—against those of a Danish track star, Thomas Nolan. Though the boys had just three months of formal training, they easily beat Nolan in a 12-and-a-half-lap race. The researchers concluded that the Kenyans had a born advantage and speculated that it might have something to do with their "birdlike legs." (The study incensed a number of Kenyan running heroes, including Keino, who viewed the results as an affront to the Kenyan work ethic.)
More obscure anecdotal theories also abound. It has been suggested that Kenyan children are aided by the fact that many run to and from school. Two-time Olympian Charles Cheruiyot, for example, has stated that young Kenyans typically run 10 miles a day. But other top-flight Kenyan runners have pooh-poohed this theory, denying that they ever so much as jogged to catch the morning bell.
Author John Manners, who has trained with the Kalenjins on their home turf, has opined that the tribe's cattle-herding background might play a role. In centuries past, the most successful members of the tribe were those who could round up the most cows. These fleet-footed men were thus able to garner more wives, and in turn produce more children. Manners also ascribes some possible significance to the Kalenjin circumcision ritual, in which adolescent males must endure the snipping with nary a shudder. Compared with that pain, 26-plus miles is a snap.
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Old 12-04-2010, 04:11 PM
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Winky Wright also did well against Slick Fighters[/QUOTE]

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Old 12-04-2010, 04:16 PM
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what style can neutralize slick fighting style?

like in all boxing history what style does beat slickness?

if you go in history of slick boxers what style beat them most?

like what style beat ali's slickness, or sugar ray leonards slickness if im right lol?
no style,if that slick fighter is as well rounded as someone like floyd your best bet is to use smart pressure but even then you probably won't win it will just be a close fight.
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Old 12-04-2010, 04:54 PM
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Old 12-04-2010, 04:58 PM
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Well timed jab.
That along with having greater range.


Slick implies tricky, so no matter the style a true slick guy is always tricky to deal with but if you can out range a guy and keep him on the end of a long jab how tricky they are won't matter because they will never be in range to punch back.
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Old 12-04-2010, 05:18 PM
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what style can neutralize slick fighting style?

like in all boxing history what style does beat slickness?

if you go in history of slick boxers what style beat them most?

like what style beat ali's slickness, or sugar ray leonards slickness if im right lol?
the darker your skin tone, the better better your chances to neutralize the slick fighting style. according to hopkins, it's all about the melanin. it's like a natural PED.
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Old 12-04-2010, 05:33 PM
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kenyans ruled at yesterday's new york city marathon, as martin lel and margaret okayo won the men's and women's crowns, respectively. It was the fifth time a kenyan man has won the race since 1997, and the fifth time for a kenyan woman since 1994. In addition, kenyan men have won all but one of the past 12 boston marathons.* why are kenyans such successful distance runners?

There are a few popular theories, which break along nature-versus-nurture lines. The vast majority of kenya's brightest running stars were born and raised at high altitude. Running at higher elevations builds greater lung capacity, because athletes grow accustomed to the thinner air. Many of the finest runners, for example, hail from the hilly region surrounding eldoret, about 7,000 to 8,000 feet above sea level. This area also possesses a fairly mild climate that allows for year-round running.
If altitude alone determined distance-running success, of course, then nepalese marathoners would dominate. So, perhaps a more important factor is the nation's running culture, particularly among the kalenjin tribe. Though kalenjins represent just 12 percent of kenya's population, they comprise about three-quarters of the nation's elite runners. The trend started with kip keino, who won olympic gold in the 1,500 meters in 1968 and added an olympic steeplechase title in 1972. The ex-policeman's success inspired succeeding generations of kalenjins, who grew up idolizing keino. As a result, kalenjins now aspire to distance-running titles in the same way american youths dream of playing in a super bowl. (okayo, who set a new course record for women in new york, is one of the few kenyan marathon stars not of kalenjin extraction.)
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because interest in running is so high, competition to make traveling squads is intense, and kenyan training regimes are notoriously difficult. And many young kenyans view distance running as a ticket out of poverty. Kalenjins, in particular, grow up seeing the wealth of returning marathon champions, whose relatively modest earnings abroad—the top prize at new york was $100,000—make them rich men and women by eldoret standards.
Physiology and genetics may also factor into the kenyans' accomplishments. In 2000, the danish sports science institute published a study that compared the distance-running prowess of several kalenjin youths—all of them competitive neophytes—against those of a danish track star, thomas nolan. Though the boys had just three months of formal training, they easily beat nolan in a 12-and-a-half-lap race. The researchers concluded that the kenyans had a born advantage and speculated that it might have something to do with their "birdlike legs." (the study incensed a number of kenyan running heroes, including keino, who viewed the results as an affront to the kenyan work ethic.)
more obscure anecdotal theories also abound. It has been suggested that kenyan children are aided by the fact that many run to and from school. Two-time olympian charles cheruiyot, for example, has stated that young kenyans typically run 10 miles a day. But other top-flight kenyan runners have pooh-poohed this theory, denying that they ever so much as jogged to catch the morning bell.
Author john manners, who has trained with the kalenjins on their home turf, has opined that the tribe's cattle-herding background might play a role. In centuries past, the most successful members of the tribe were those who could round up the most cows. These fleet-footed men were thus able to garner more wives, and in turn produce more children. Manners also ascribes some possible significance to the kalenjin circumcision ritual, in which adolescent males must endure the snipping with nary a shudder. Compared with that pain, 26-plus miles is a snap.
kenyans are east africans. African americans tend to have their ancestry from west africa. Very, very different gene pool and very different running abilities. When do you see kenyans in the olympic 100 meters or african americans in the marathon? Oh, and i loved kip keino-- the way he through his cap before he kicked it in. Jim ryun beat him quite handily though except for mexico city due to the altitude. Have you heard of the tarahumara indians? Look them up if you haven't. Daniel ponce de leon is such an indian. He'd make a better mma fighter. He's strong as hell but he lacks speed. Juanma whips him in boxing every time no matter how much he improves.
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kenyans ruled at yesterday's new york city marathon, as martin lel and margaret okayo won the men's and women's crowns, respectively. It was the fifth time a kenyan man has won the race since 1997, and the fifth time for a kenyan woman since 1994. In addition, kenyan men have won all but one of the past 12 boston marathons.* why are kenyans such successful distance runners?

There are a few popular theories, which break along nature-versus-nurture lines. The vast majority of kenya's brightest running stars were born and raised at high altitude. Running at higher elevations builds greater lung capacity, because athletes grow accustomed to the thinner air. Many of the finest runners, for example, hail from the hilly region surrounding eldoret, about 7,000 to 8,000 feet above sea level. This area also possesses a fairly mild climate that allows for year-round running.
If altitude alone determined distance-running success, of course, then nepalese marathoners would dominate. So, perhaps a more important factor is the nation's running culture, particularly among the kalenjin tribe. Though kalenjins represent just 12 percent of kenya's population, they comprise about three-quarters of the nation's elite runners. The trend started with kip keino, who won olympic gold in the 1,500 meters in 1968 and added an olympic steeplechase title in 1972. The ex-policeman's success inspired succeeding generations of kalenjins, who grew up idolizing keino. As a result, kalenjins now aspire to distance-running titles in the same way american youths dream of playing in a super bowl. (okayo, who set a new course record for women in new york, is one of the few kenyan marathon stars not of kalenjin extraction.)
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because interest in running is so high, competition to make traveling squads is intense, and kenyan training regimes are notoriously difficult. And many young kenyans view distance running as a ticket out of poverty. Kalenjins, in particular, grow up seeing the wealth of returning marathon champions, whose relatively modest earnings abroad—the top prize at new york was $100,000—make them rich men and women by eldoret standards.
Physiology and genetics may also factor into the kenyans' accomplishments. In 2000, the danish sports science institute published a study that compared the distance-running prowess of several kalenjin youths—all of them competitive neophytes—against those of a danish track star, thomas nolan. Though the boys had just three months of formal training, they easily beat nolan in a 12-and-a-half-lap race. The researchers concluded that the kenyans had a born advantage and speculated that it might have something to do with their "birdlike legs." (the study incensed a number of kenyan running heroes, including keino, who viewed the results as an affront to the kenyan work ethic.)
more obscure anecdotal theories also abound. It has been suggested that kenyan children are aided by the fact that many run to and from school. Two-time olympian charles cheruiyot, for example, has stated that young kenyans typically run 10 miles a day. But other top-flight kenyan runners have pooh-poohed this theory, denying that they ever so much as jogged to catch the morning bell.
Author john manners, who has trained with the kalenjins on their home turf, has opined that the tribe's cattle-herding background might play a role. In centuries past, the most successful members of the tribe were those who could round up the most cows. These fleet-footed men were thus able to garner more wives, and in turn produce more children. Manners also ascribes some possible significance to the kalenjin circumcision ritual, in which adolescent males must endure the snipping with nary a shudder. Compared with that pain, 26-plus miles is a snap.
bro, culture has nothing to do with it. You're not going to see a mexican breaking the record in the 100 meters even if immigration is after his butt. I was in the army so i've seen african americans run distance. They are not very good-- too much muscle weight and too little body fat-- among other reasons.
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