P4P lists need to change

[Steelhammer2011]

Originally Posted by ShoulderRoll

Lennox knocked out a prime Briggs, something that Vitali couldn't do to an old Briggs. End of story.

Vitali is older than Briggs you retard.

Two can play the triangle theory game.

Lewis couldn't stop Levi Billups.
Vitali destroyed Levi Billups in 2 rounds.

Lewis was brutally KTFO by Rahman.
Wlad destroyed Rahman.

Lewis went life and death with Mercer and got a controversial gift decision.

Wlad annihilated Mercer in 6 rounds. He became the first man to knockdown and KO Mercer.


Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis

THE TRUTH

Vitali took the fight on just 10 days notice.

Vitali was clearly winning the fight 4-2 on all 3 scorecards at the time of the controversial doctor stoppage. Lewis was badly hurt and was staggering around the ring like a drunk, he barely survived the 2nd round. Lewis was getting outboxed, outworked, outlanded and was hurt several times in the fight.

punches landed

Vitali 156

Lewis 102


Lewis was exhausted, worn down and hurt from the accumulation of punches and was ready to get KTFO again, he collapsed onto his stool at the end of the 6th round, Vitali was the fresher of the two, he was a man on a mission and would've KO'd Lewis for sure if the fight had continued.

All the fans at Staples Center cheered for Vitali and booed Lewis after the fight.

Lewis promised Vitali a rematch.

Vitali destroyed Kirk Johnson in 2 rounds and called out Lewis again in the post fight interview. The scared Lewis retired shortly after that fight.

Lewis turned down 30 million dollars for a rematch and retired like a coward because he knew he would get destroyed by Vitali.

Vitali dominated Lewis and scared his bitch ass into retirement.



George Foreman: "Vitali was winning the fight. Lewis got lucky. There has to be a rematch!"

Jim Lampley: "A lucky escape for Lewis who was clearly losing the fight"

Even Emanuel Steward was upset and pissed off at Lewis for blatantly ducking a Vitali rematch.

Lewis is scared to death of Vitali.

[Toe Injury]

Originally Posted by ShoulderRoll

Career-wide domination against who, though? The heavyweights are awful.

You just prove my point when you bring up Eddie Chambers and Sam Peter. Pure garbage compared to what Floyd, Manny, and Sergio have had to deal with at the lower weights.

relevant (2010) wins:

peter is 30 - only losses are to klitschko and chambers
chambers is 28 - only losses are to klitschko and povetkin

I'd like you to actually point out why they're "pure garbage". Chambers is technically sound and very fast, his only weakness is his small size for a modern HW. Sam Peter is something of the opposite, huge but mostly muscle, extremely hard-hitting, but his stamina is his Achilles heel. Against all but 2 of his opponents he managed without it anyway.

mosely is 39 - at his prime i consider him a significantly superior fighter to chambers and peter, and his career outshines both combined

career losses: a great forrest (twice) a so-so wright (twice) a good cotto

relevant/more recently: mostly one-sided (except for the one hail-mary that landed) loss to a floyd mayweather and a downright ugly draw with sergio mora

chambers and peter are in their absolute prime years more dangerous fighters as of 2010 and combined they surpass a lone victory over mosley

career-long Floyd edges out Wlad but p4p as of 2010 Wlad edges out Floyd

[ShoulderRoll]

If you want to make a point that Floyd only fought once in 2010 that's true but it still doesn't put the Klitschkos on his level in a PFP sense.

And Mosley has more boxing ability in his left toe than Chambers and Peter combined.

[theplayerpimp]

Originally Posted by _original_

Wow, no wonder this site is filtered with garbage posters.....hardly anybody can create a top ten list due to them only caring about Floyd and Manny


1. Pacquiao
2. Martinez
3. Mayweather Jr.
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Juan Manuel Lopez
6. Fernando Montiel
7. Timothy Bradley
8. Andre Ward
9. Donaire
10. Williams (a KO loss to another p4p fighter does not knock him off my
list)

Good list except for lopez and donaire. How does a win over a shot marquez moving up in weight make him a p4p. And donaire also a win over vic was great but facing bums there after does not help.

[Steelhammer2011]

Originally Posted by Reach

relevant (2010) wins:

peter is 30 - only losses are to klitschko and chambers
chambers is 28 - only losses are to klitschko and povetkin

I'd like you to actually point out why they're "pure garbage". Chambers is technically sound and very fast, his only weakness is his small size for a modern HW. Sam Peter is something of the opposite, huge but mostly muscle, extremely hard-hitting, but his stamina is his Achilles heel. Against all but 2 of his opponents he managed without it anyway.

mosely is 39 - at his prime i consider him a significantly superior fighter to chambers and peter, and his career outshines both combined

career losses: a great forrest (twice) a so-so wright (twice) a good cotto

relevant/more recently: mostly one-sided (except for the one hail-mary that landed) loss to a floyd mayweather and a downright ugly draw with sergio mora

chambers and peter are in their absolute prime years more dangerous fighters as of 2010 and combined they surpass a lone victory over mosley

career-long Floyd edges out Wlad but p4p as of 2010 Wlad edges out Floyd

Great post.

Dominant Knockout Wins over Prime Chambers and Prime Peter are much more impressive than a boring decision win over an old shot Mosley, who recently had a draw against clubfighter Sergio "The Latin Fake" Mora.