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Old 11-19-2010, 06:24 AM
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I doubt his views have anything to do with ethnicity, FWIW. All of his thoughts, on a variety of subjects within boxing, seem genuine and straightforward, even if I don't agree with every last one of them.



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"Styles make fights."

So I take it you're one of those people who think "Slick" African-american is the only style that exist and everything else is a come straight forward?

Stick to football Cesc.
The poster Ray* is sharing an article with us. He didn't make the comments in posts #1 and #3.
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Old 11-19-2010, 06:25 AM
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He's right... it wasn't as if Margarito was an elite fighter.. he was doomed from the start. The 'Pac had a bad training camp and Marg had the best one' was just a ploy to hype up the fight, size doesn't mean all that when the bigger guy is just your average fighter.. Haye beat Valuev and there's many more. Marg didn't even deserve to be a sparring partner of Pac let a lone a fight with him, Pac's team has always avoided Mosley, but since his decline they would probably have him for their next fight.
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Old 11-19-2010, 06:25 AM
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The poster Ray* is sharing an article with us. He didn't make the comments in posts #1 and #3.
Sometime you got to know when not to reply to retards, I saw a great article/interview which touch on everything in boxing right now, Thought i should share it with posters on here, If they like it fine if not let them whine, am not really bothered.
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Old 11-19-2010, 06:26 AM
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The best part of the interview is the last remark where he tells Michael Wilbon to go play some golf and kiss Lebron's ass.

That's the funniest thing I've read on this site in a long time.
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Old 11-19-2010, 06:31 AM
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Sometime you got to know when not to reply to retards, I saw a great article/interview which touch on everything in boxing right now, Thought i should share it with posters on here, If they like it fine if not let them whine, am not really bothered.
I love how we get the implication that the person who made these remarks should focus on another sport, delivered by a guy who goes through pages of a forum covering a variety of subjects in a sport and only shows interest in the topics which mention a male he idolizes.


It's just silly, man.
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Old 11-19-2010, 06:33 AM
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I don't think it's hypocritical to praise Pac for his demolition of Margarito.

For me personally, no I was not impressed that Pac won because I also knew he would. I was one of the posters who said in the build up that all the stories about Pac struggling were just ploys to build interest and drive the odds in Margarito's favor.

The reason I do give Manny credit is because of how badly he beat Margarito and how far he went to make the fight exciting.

If Mayweather fought Margarito the fight would be completely different with Floyd landing 5 or 6 clean right hands each round, Margarito not landing sh*t, and the whole crowd snoring by the 8th round.

All things being equal people are naturally gonna gravitate towards the more exciting fighter. Maybe if Mayweather would just once put his foot on the gas and knock out one of his overmatched opponents people might give him a little more credit.
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Old 11-19-2010, 06:40 AM
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that was a REALLY good read...thx for posting Ray
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Old 11-19-2010, 06:44 AM
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I don't think it's hypocritical to praise Pac for his demolition of Margarito.

For me personally, no I was not impressed that Pac won because I also knew he would. I was one of the posters who said in the build up that all the stories about Pac struggling were just ploys to build interest and drive the odds in Margarito's favor.

The reason I do give Manny credit is because of how badly he beat Margarito and how far he went to make the fight exciting.

If Mayweather fought Margarito the fight would be completely different with Floyd landing 5 or 6 clean right hands each round, Margarito not landing sh*t, and the whole crowd snoring by the 8th round.

All things being equal people are naturally gonna gravitate towards the more exciting fighter. Maybe if Mayweather would just once put his foot on the gas and knock out one of his overmatched opponents people might give him a little more credit.
What Pacquiao did, the way he did it, was very impressive.


I think this guy just sees an accumulation of poor circumstances around the bout and around boxing in general, and is feeling disenchanted with it all.

Which is understandable. Not everyone is going to view the glass as half-full (which is the way I look at it, generally).
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Old 11-19-2010, 06:46 AM
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i dont really understand this "styles make fights"

ok, we are sayin that margarito is tailor made for pacquiao. so a not a surprise if pacquiao wins.

now, when we say floyd can give pac a hell of a fight, there is this notion that floyd's style can beat pac (although not necessarily that pac is tailor made for floyd).

if this is the case, then i dont know what to say.

whats important for us to know is: styles helps us make analysis. but boxer's heart, athleticism, those intangibles, etc. are what actually brings a good game to the audience and usually a win for these fighters.
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"Styles make fights. You're giving him a guy who comes straight forward, he puts on a lot of pressure, but slow-footed and slow-handed guys are never going to beat Pacquiao. So it's not a surprise at how well*Pacquiao did. And the thing is this, I never said Pacquiao wasn't a great fighter. There is not one interview ever with me saying he wasn't a great fighter. I just think Floyd is better. The styles make fights and Pacquiao, with his hand speed and foot speed, and honestly, it was already written because Shane Mosley did this 2 years ago. This is nothing new. Paul Williams did it years ago. There is no major story as to how he did it. I mean Margarito is a tough guy and all of that, but he didn't deserve the fight...This is what people have to understand, bigger doesn't always mean better. In some cases, it does, but if that's the case, you better give Roy Jones more props for going up 40 pounds and beating John Ruiz. You had a journeyman heavyweight fighting an all-time great. A great big man will beat a great little man because we've seen that in boxing. But a great little man will beat a mediocre or average or barely above average big man every time. This is nothing new and people act like it is...there is a guy out there that could beat him now and that's Floyd Mayweather. If he is so great, then why didn't he fight Shane Mosley 2 years ago? Shane was willing to go to 140 to fight him," stated world-class trainer Ron Frazier, who shared his thoughts on Manny Pacquiao's dominant victory over Antonio Margarito this past Saturday. Much like Jeff Mayweather, Frazier seemed less than impressed with the performance. You don't want to miss what else he had to say.

PC: How is everything going my man?

RF: Everything is going real well; real good.

PC: What did you think of the way the big fight between Pacquiao and Margarito played out?

RF: I knew the result before it happened. I actually watched it the next day on the computer. I had 2 young guys making their "King of the Cage" debut and I was way more interested in that than the Margarito/Pacquiao fight. It is what it is. I'm just disappointed in boxing as a whole these days. It's not just with Pacquiao. If you look at the heavyweight division, it's boring. The Klitschkos dominate. They are not going to fight one another, and I don't expect them to, but there are no real challenges there. They are putting together guys like Shannon Briggs and Samuel Peter. When you look at their fights before they get title shots, you start wondering why are they even getting title shots? Why are we even watching them? They haven't developed anyone from the Olympics and the whole state of boxing right now is a turnoff.

The hypocrisy in boxing...you know, you got managers and promoters are not looking for the overall growth of the sport. I got a 6'8", 275-pound heavyweight who could go to boxing or MMA. The guy is athletic and his boxing skills are nice and I'm pushing him towards MMA. That's just how disappointed in the fight game I am because no one is really promoting the sport. What's going to become of this sport 10 years from now? Now I hear Oscar De La Hoya may come out of retirement to fight Ricky Hatton? Why? What is that about? Develop new stars. Shane Mosley is now going to make a great business decision and leave Golden Boy to go to Top Rank, but why do you deserve another big payday after your last two performances? I mean, getting blown out by Floyd Mayweather is one thing, but a draw against Sergio Mora does not mean you deserve another big fight.

PC: You have always said that Mayweather would defeat Manny Pacquiao. After Saturday night, do you still feel that way, and if so, why?

RF: Yeah, I still feel that way; styles make fights. You're giving him a guy who comes straight forward, he puts on a lot of pressure, but slow-footed and slow-handed guys are never going to beat Pacquiao. So it's not a surprise at how well*Pacquiao did. And the thing is this, I never said Pacquiao wasn't a great fighter. There is not one interview ever with me saying he wasn't a great fighter. I just think Floyd is better. The styles make fights and Pacquiao, with his hand speed and foot speed, and honestly, it was already written because Shane Mosley did this 2 years ago. This is nothing new. Paul Williams did it years ago. There is no major story as to how he did it. I mean Margarito is a tough guy and all of that, but he didn't deserve the fight. Luis Resto had to give up his career and spend 3 years of his life in prison for tampering with his gloves, and this guy gets a year suspension and then he fights 1 fight at 154 and doesn't look that great against a guy who was not even ranked, and then he gets a title shot? I do not understand that. I don't understand how those things happen. Pacquiao, for as great as he is, come on now. Even when Ray Leonard fought Ayub Kalule, when he made the move to 154, he fought the best 154-pounder out there. He fought the champion at 154 pounds, not weighing in at 144 pounds and Kalule weighing 150. How is that? Pacquiao was under the welterweight limit.

This is what people have to understand, bigger doesn't always mean better. In some cases, it does, but if that's the case, you better give Roy Jones more props for going up 40 pounds and beating John Ruiz. You had a journeyman heavyweight fighting an all-time great. A great big man will beat a great little man because we've seen that in boxing. But a great little man will beat a mediocre or average or barely above average big man every time. This is nothing new and people act like it is. Roberto Duran showed you that. Roberto Duran was a shell of himself late in his career fighting at 168 and he was beating people.
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