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Old 11-10-2010, 08:46 PM
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I loathed his decision going politics, IMHO he could still help the people with his money/business than ruin his last leg of his legendary career in boxing.

But there's nothing that a 50 million dollar fight (could be around 60 million by next year as people hype the fight) could not ever fix! I could imagine the money he is pouring in his hometown General Santos to make a positive dent into the economy while his charities would also be bolstered.

Well of course, beating Mayweather would be the icing and in his legacy cake. It would definitely be the last fight and the most awesome way to retire...beating the best.
Politics is the same in every country. There will always be sycophants around telling you to enter politics even if all you did is to act in movies or become a beauty queen. (You have Sara Palin in the US, as an example. Hmm... or Caroline Kennedy, to be fair.) And I agree with you. Pac should have just let an engineer or a real estate developer to run his province and contributed his millions to its development. Celebrities don't have any business going into politics.

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Old 11-10-2010, 08:47 PM
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+++whats wrong with the 7 days cutoff ost? even floyd's ost request is not even considered full olympic drug testing since he only wants to be tested during training up to fight day. how about the days that floyd is out of competition/vacation? isn't it that floyd's "level playing field" isn't level after all bcoz floyd might be using roids/peds during those days then cycling them off when training starts up to fight time. "athletes benefits more when using peds/roid out of competition-victor conte"
The anonymity- of not knowing when is your last test....thats the deterring factor. The decision should be up to the agency and not the subjects.
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Old 11-10-2010, 08:49 PM
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19 pages of this yet I have yet to see any proof that Floyd himself is doing this OST. Oh, wait, Floyd fans must know this one. Can anyone please show me proof? A link? Anything?

When Floyd actually does OST then you guys can say OST.

Until then you first have to convince your hero Floyd to actually do OST before you run 19 pages of Manny needs to do OST.
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Old 11-10-2010, 08:52 PM
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Politics is the same in every country. There will always be sycophants around telling you to enter politics even if all you did is to act in movies or become a beauty queen. (You have Sara Palin in the US, as an example. Hmm... or Caroline Kennedy, to be fair.) And I agree with you. Pac should have just let an engineer or a real estate developer to run his province and contributed his millions to its development. Celebrities don't have any business going into politics.
Pacquiao is an idealist...a rare breed thinking that GOVERNMENT or POLITICIANS can help the people (socialistic) but what is admirable is his intention to help out the poor people to whom he affectionately associate himself as "one of them".

And so yes, I concur...he could have developed some economic models/business that would employ the people while giving them a chance to work and work for themselves.

Well of course, charity is one thing that he understands very well. That is the root of his obsession on why he wanted to go to politics.
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Old 11-10-2010, 09:26 PM
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Pacquiao is an idealist...a rare breed thinking that GOVERNMENT or POLITICIANS can help the people (socialistic) but what is admirable is his intention to help out the poor people to whom he affectionately associate himself as "one of them".

And so yes, I concur...he could have developed some economic models/business that would employ the people while giving them a chance to work and work for themselves.

Well of course, charity is one thing that he understands very well. That is the root of his obsession on why he wanted to go to politics.
Not easy to develop a country that started haphazardly with a very short-sighted approach. Its colonial past may have been the culprit. I don't know. Unlike here in North America, most things are planned on a very looong term basis. Just wondering what exactly Pacquiao could do to a province which doesn't even have the infrastructure for any development possible. He can't go on giving away cash. Soon he has to find a way to give people jobs. Question is how. But that's another subject for a non-boxing forum.
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Old 11-10-2010, 09:27 PM
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Wifebeater initially offered a 14-day cutoff. So why should there be a big deal if Manny agreed to even lower it to 7 days, we'll unless you are, as Bert Sugar would say, afraid to lose.
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Old 11-10-2010, 10:45 PM
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What you posted doesnt make sense. We already know Floyd is a clean athlete as proven in the Mosley fight. Nobody knows if Pacquiao is a clean athlete so a cut-off point is NOT an even playing field. Floyd said many months ago that the cut-off idea is off the table anyway. And he is not going to go back on that now. Pacquiao is just making more and more excuses to avoid the test and somehow try and make it look like Floyd is in the wrong.

Strangely enough. Some idiots have actually believed it.


++++++HOW SURE ARE YOU THAT FLOYD IS CLEAN ??? like i said if floyd or any other boxer who is out of competition for a long period can benefit more from peds used then comes clean by the time training starts up to the fight.. so how can they catch someone if the user already cycled the drugs off his system?.. read this interview on victor conte of balco for you to understand what i'm talking about and how conte criticizes floyd by not accepting the compromise(this compromise was the 14 days and now its 7 days cutoff). quoted-" For whatever claims they said about Floyd being drug testing for the Mosley fight, he was tested 19 days before the fight. Let's get real here. Floyd's saying my way or the highway, well that's BS. It's got to be a compromise and there's never going 100% (accurate test) and we need to acknowledge that and I think Manny has made an effort to compromise and move to Floyd's direction and I think Manny needs to be applauded for that." -- Victor Conte.. from: "http://www.examiner.com/filipino-sports-in-national/i-was-contacted-by-mayweather-s-people-exclusive-interview-with-victor-conte-part-2"...

another interview on victor conte where he admitted that a 10 day testing would be right and might also be the reason why floyd changes his mind regarding 14 days cutoff. quoted-
“I think you could do blood testing up to five days of a fight with no physical detriment to a participant,” Conte says. “A compromise of 10 days would be all right. But as soon as you go 14 days or more, that’s enough time to use EPO and build up your red blood cell count. At 24 days, there’s all sorts of things that can be done with thyroid medication, fast-acting forms of insulin, EPO, testosterone.". - from-http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/7653/conte-volunteers-catch-cheaters/..

and last but not the least: contes latest interview dated nov 5 2010 wherein he talks about out of competition peds used -quoted from the interview " I've had meetings with USADA officials on three separate occasions and advised them each time that the drug testing conducted at competitions is not the most effective use of resources. Athletes can simply taper off of the drugs and test negative within a short period of time. Elite athletes are primarily using drugs during the off-season. from "http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/11/victor-conte-discusses-being-uninvited-to-anti-doping-seminar.html"

now..WHY DIDN'T "CRUSADER" FLOYD ASK FOR OST FOR ALL YEAR ROUND IF HE REALLY WANTS TO CLEAN THE SPORT?... level playing field floyd says but is it really a level playing field if he is out of competition most of the time (assuming he uses peds like you assume pac on peds)..remember that pac has no problem being taken blood except closer to the fight bcoz for him it affects him physically and mentally (seconded by victor conte that not all athletes has the same effect mentally and physically).

the 1st article i mention might be the reason why floyd, his father, roger and jeff never refuted pac's 7 day cutoff because victor conte is agreeable to that compromise and they can't argue on that matter because they are the one's who asked conte for an adviced regarding roids/peds used.

i assumed that this explanation is not strange to you anymore so in copying your last line above " WHO'S THE IDIOTS NOW?
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Old 11-10-2010, 11:06 PM
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Not easy to develop a country that started haphazardly with a very short-sighted approach. Its colonial past may have been the culprit. I don't know. Unlike here in North America, most things are planned on a very looong term basis. Just wondering what exactly Pacquiao could do to a province which doesn't even have the infrastructure for any development possible. He can't go on giving away cash. Soon he has to find a way to give people jobs. Question is how. But that's another subject for a non-boxing forum.
I do agree in a certain level but it isn't just the colonialism but the inherent pluralistic and regionalism that pervades the Filipino-American culture. That is something way beyond the scope of this thread as you put it.

Remember that there are 7,500 islands in the Philippines whereas when Magellan claimed the islands to King Phillip II of Spain, he isn't aware of the vast diversity of tribes that belong to these indigenous islands. The cultures were that of the Indonesian/Malayan hybrids that still pervade the country despite the 400 years of Hispanization and Americanization.
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Old 11-10-2010, 11:15 PM
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No, Manny wanted 24 days, and then he wanted 21 days. Floyd said 14 day to meet him the middle. Your man Pan turned that down. Now that they know Floyd already said no cut offs after that, they now decide that they will go down to 7 days...to late in Floyd’s mind because he already tried to meet Pac and Pac said no; now that Floyd is saying no after trying to meet Pac in the middle you guys (*******s and Pac fans are two diff types) the *******s won’t open your eyes because your blinded with your love for Pac....

++++++++++++++++oh man! your basically agreeing that floyd is ducking pacquiao with the way you explain your rebuttal regarding testing..(floyd and *****s states that pac an easy fight and one dimensional fighter and going to whupped pac a33 but now floyd's bringing up roadblocks after roadblocks for the fight not to happen?)
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