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Old 10-18-2010, 03:06 PM
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Default Lucian Bute's looping backhand to the body...

As a southpaw, he brings it up on the inside, but is it practical for an orthodox fighter to use? And, if so, which fighters use it well?
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Old 10-18-2010, 04:46 PM
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in my honest opinion, there is no need for an orthodox fighter to use that "looping backhand" to the body. none whatsoever.

your time would be better spent watching the lightweight shane mosley, light-welterweight miguel cotto, younger mike tyson, etc. to get a grasp of how decent boxers are setting up their left hooks to the body.

as a southpaw, we're at a disadvantage when going to the body due to an orthodox opponent's liver being the furthest target possible when they are in a proper stance. bute often takes a quick step back and slightly to his left to draw an opponents right hand and let it slide over his right shoulder, leaving that whole side of their body open.

a simple left hook would be easier to set-up and more effective than ducking a jab and trying to counter with a right uppercut to the body. you WILL eventually get caught coming up with a right hand after their jab. depending on how you're leaning, you probably will never see their right hand coming from over your left shoulder either.
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Old 10-18-2010, 06:12 PM
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in my honest opinion, there is no need for an orthodox fighter to use that "looping backhand" to the body. none whatsoever.

your time would be better spent watching the lightweight shane mosley, light-welterweight miguel cotto, younger mike tyson, etc. to get a grasp of how decent boxers are setting up their left hooks to the body.

as a southpaw, we're at a disadvantage when going to the body due to an orthodox opponent's liver being the furthest target possible when they are in a proper stance. bute often takes a quick step back and slightly to his left to draw an opponents right hand and let it slide over his right shoulder, leaving that whole side of their body open.

a simple left hook would be easier to set-up and more effective than ducking a jab and trying to counter with a right uppercut to the body. you WILL eventually get caught coming up with a right hand after their jab. depending on how you're leaning, you probably will never see their right hand coming from over your left shoulder either.
What if the orthodox user is good at keeping his opposite hand glued to his cheek when throwing?
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Old 10-18-2010, 07:29 PM
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in my honest opinion, there is no need for an orthodox fighter to use that "looping backhand" to the body. none whatsoever.

your time would be better spent watching the lightweight shane mosley, light-welterweight miguel cotto, younger mike tyson, etc. to get a grasp of how decent boxers are setting up their left hooks to the body.

a simple left hook would be easier to set-up and more effective than ducking a jab and trying to counter with a right uppercut to the body. you WILL eventually get caught coming up with a right hand after their jab. depending on how you're leaning, you probably will never see their right hand coming from over your left shoulder either.
Yeah, it's such a sweet looking punch, but this ^ was kinda my suspicion.

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Old 10-18-2010, 09:17 PM
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What if the orthodox user is good at keeping his opposite hand glued to his cheek when throwing?
you're still stepping into your opponent's range, trying to "chase" his jab, and then raising up into a potential counter-punch while he's punching down at you.

simply put, you'd be betting your punch to the body, which could hurt him, against his counter straight right (which will be VERY short, as you've move into his range and are rising to meet it), which could knock you out cold.

this risk is why a normal straight right/ pull counter are the best ways to counter jabs.
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Old 10-18-2010, 09:36 PM
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you're still stepping into your opponent's range, trying to "chase" his jab, and then raising up into a potential counter-punch while he's punching down at you.

simply put, you'd be betting your punch to the body, which could hurt him, against his counter straight right (which will be VERY short, as you've move into his range and are rising to meet it), which could knock you out cold.

this risk is why a normal straight right/ pull counter are the best ways to counter jabs.
Makes sense.

What if a southpaw threw a left straight, and a conventional stance slips outside/under the left straight, and attempts a right uppercut to body/head.

Is that just as risky?
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Old 10-18-2010, 10:13 PM
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Makes sense.

What if a southpaw threw a left straight, and a conventional stance slips outside/under the left straight, and attempts a right uppercut to body/head.

Is that just as risky?
no. that would be much more safe. it's exactly what lucian bute does, actually, just in reverse. don't just slip under it, if at all possible, make sure to slip it to the outside and to keep that left hand up.
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Old 10-19-2010, 01:31 AM
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A bit wary I'm dragging this out a bit now, but does this make an orthodox right-hand uppercut more or less impractical for the same reasons?
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:22 PM
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A bit wary I'm dragging this out a bit now, but does this make an orthodox right-hand uppercut more or less impractical for the same reasons?
no. the uppercut is an inside shot. too much reaching with it will take away power from the punch and should get you punished against a decent fighter.

it does have its place, even from the outside, if set-up properly.

in the floyd mayweather/ genaro hernandez fight, with hernandez on the ropes, mayweather threw in a couple jabs which froze hernandez and stepped in with a beautiful uppercut when hernandez was most likely expect a right straight.

miguel cotto is also said to be weak to uppercuts due to his crouched over position with his upper-body often leaning over his front leg. he could be made to walk on to uppercuts or buzzed with them when on the ropes.

for the most part, however, i would limit uppercuts to when they are completely safe and you are already in range. as knowing what punch to use in whatever situation you're in is a part of mastering fundamentals.
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no. the uppercut is an inside shot. too much reaching with it will take away power from the punch and should get you punished against a decent fighter.

in the floyd mayweather/ genaro hernandez fight, with hernandez on the ropes, mayweather threw in a couple jabs which froze hernandez and stepped in with a beautiful uppercut when hernandez was most likely expect a right straight.
Yeah, I see that now. He kinda blinds Hernandez with the jab and then lets the uppercut go.
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