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Old 10-06-2010, 08:16 PM
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Default Who's greater? Rafael Marquez or Juan Manuel Marquez?

Let's take a look at their accomplishments.



First up, Juan Manuel Marquez.


Accomplishments -


Juan Diaz x2
Joel Casamayor
Rocky Juarez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Orlando Salido
Manny Pacquiao.... to some he won twice.



Let's take a look at Rafael Marquez


Accomplishments

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Israel Vazquez... arguably twice
Silence Mabuza x2
Mauricio Pastrana x2
Tim Austin
Mark Johnson x2







To me, I have to side with Rafaels resume. Much more impressive wins and definetly an ATG at Bantamweight.
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Old 10-06-2010, 08:21 PM
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Old 10-06-2010, 08:28 PM
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JMM right now is the greater fighter. His resume is superior.

And, JMM has more wins than against top fighters than that. Like against Derrick Gainer(which was a unification bout) and Manuel Medina. And, no can't count Pac. Maybe the draw if you want. That is fine. But, both fights could of gone either way. Pac won one and the other is a draw. Is not a roberry so no need to count it. However, the draw can be counted.
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JMM right now is the greater fighter. His resume is superior.

And, JMM has more wins than against top fighters than that. Like against Derrick Gainer(which was a unification bout) and Manuel Medina. And, no can't count Pac. Maybe the draw if you want. That is fine. But, both fights could of gone either way. Pac won one and the other is a draw. Is not a roberry so no need to count it. However, the draw can be counted.
I didn't put Derrick because I've always believed he was a f*cking bum like a Carlos Baldomir type, so was Medina. How is JMM resume superior? He's got a past it MAB. Past it Casamayor. Juan Diaz (lol) and Rocky Juarez...


Well I give respect for Derrick KOing Norwood though...that was an awesome victory.
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Old 10-06-2010, 08:30 PM
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The Robbie Peden victory was pretty impressive(For JMM)

Dude knocked out Nate Campbell twice.
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JMM is greater. He has fought the tougher competition and has stood toe to toe, possibly even won against the greatest fighter of our generation.
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JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ is an ATG, Rafael Marquez is a b- fighter
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I didn't put Derrick because I've always believed he was a f*cking bum like a Carlos Baldomir type, so was Medina. How is JMM resume superior? He's got a past it MAB. Past it Casamayor. Juan Diaz (lol) and Rocky Juarez...


Well I give respect for Derrick KOing Norwood though...that was an awesome victory.
I wouldn't call Neither of those 2 fighters a bum. They were not elite but they were not bums. They were top fighters in their division. Medina had wins over Tom Johnson, Victor Polo going into JMM fight and then a win over Scott Harrison after the JMM fight. So was not a bad fighter.

Derrick Gainer had a win over Medina, Norwood, Polo. And, was ranked top 6 in the division at the time. Maybe as high as in the top 3 don't remember. Was ugly to watch, but was effective.

JMM also has a win over Robbie Peden and no Peden was a not bum.

JMM also is a 3 division champ. Rafa can't claim that.

JMM also unified 2 of those divisions. Rafa never has unified.

JMM is the greater fighter, with the superior resume as of right now.

No disrespect to Rafa though.
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Old 10-06-2010, 08:41 PM
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JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ is an ATG, Rafael Marquez is a b- fighter
Maybe now? Maybe.... The jury is still out on that one. But, prime? Hell no he was an elite fighter. Just as good as JMM was.

Actually there was a time when it seemed Rafa was the better fighter.

It just that JMM had the better opportunities to fight the bigger name guys.
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I wouldn't call Neither of those 2 fighters a bum. They were not elite but they were not bums. They were top fighters in their division. Medina had wins over Tom Johnson, Victor Polo going into JMM fight and then a win over Scott Harrison after the JMM fight. So was not a bad fighter.

Derrick Gainer had a win over Medina, Norwood, Polo. And, was ranked top 6 in the division at the time. Maybe as high as in the top 3 don't remember. Was ugly to watch, but was effective.

JMM also has a win over Robbie Peden and no Peden was a not bum.

JMM also is a 3 division champ. Rafa can't claim that.

JMM also unified 2 of those divisions. Rafa never has unified.

JMM is the greater fighter, with the superior resume as of right now.

No disrespect to Rafa though.
I still think Rafa has the better wins, for some reason they've always impressed me more. If Rafa beats Juan Ma I'll definetly put him ahead of JMM depending on how much Juan Ma accomplishes after.
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