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Old 09-05-2010, 02:20 PM
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Cool Does Joe Louis vs Billy Conn prove Ali destroys Louis?

If a great LHW like Billy Conn, could use the sweet science to outbox Louis for several rounds, utilizing supreme lateral movement, footwork and skill, does this sway your opinion in favour of Ali in a fantasy match with Louis?


Ali presents a bigger, stronger, tougher, version of Conn.

The combination of Ali's superior movement, footwork, speed, iron chin, unbreakable will and fistic powers(jab, right hand, combinations), will be too much for Joe.


Thoughts?

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Old 09-05-2010, 02:23 PM
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If a great LHW like Billy Conn, could use the sweet science to outbox Louis for several rounds, utilizing supreme lateral movement, footwork and skill, does this sway your opinion in favour of Ali in a fantasy match with Louis?


Ali presents a bigger, stronger, tougher, version of Conn.



Thoughts?

Firstly I think Ali beats (not destroys) Louis anyway. I don't need the Conn fight to make me think that.

No one fight "proves" anything anyway.
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Old 09-05-2010, 02:27 PM
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Firstly I think Ali beats (not destroys) Louis anyway. I don't need the Conn fight to make me think that.

No one fight "proves" anything anyway.
So I should have worded the title of the thread; "further proves"?


No one fight determines anything, definitively per se, however, it may influence heavily on one's opinions.
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Old 09-05-2010, 02:29 PM
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Ali presents a bigger, stronger, tougher, version of Conn.
People have made this argument before. It's stupid and you're repeating a stupid argument for attention.

Conn fought nothing like Ali. At all. He was a fundamentals master who went inside on Joe and took away his leverage and then stepped out while staying small. It's not hard to find the fight. You should watch it.

Ali might have beaten Joe. It would have nothing to do with what Conn did.
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Old 09-05-2010, 02:34 PM
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People have made this argument before. It's stupid and you're repeating a stupid argument for attention.
I think we can have a civilised discussion without the silly child's play.


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Conn fought nothing like Ali. At all. He was a fundamentals master who went inside on Joe and took away his leverage and then stepped out while staying small. It's not hard to find the fight. You should watch it.
Really? Nothing? At All?

Oh dear me. I suggest you actually watch the fight, proper, or maybe perhaps see your local shrink.

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Ali might have beaten Joe. It would have nothing to do with what Conn did.
Oh, right. It will have nothing to do with what Conn did.

Poor argument.
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Old 09-05-2010, 03:15 PM
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Really? Nothing? At All?

Oh dear me. I suggest you actually watch the fight, proper, or maybe perhaps see your local shrink.
really nothing at all.

conn fights with proper foot work a guard and the use of glance offs and parrys ali fights with his hands at his waist allways bouncing around and every time he throws anything with his left he cant help but pull his right back.

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Old 09-05-2010, 04:23 PM
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conn and ali didnt fight alike but somebody shouldnt need to use that fight to measure what ali would do to joe.that would be a pure mismatch for alot of reasons
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Old 09-05-2010, 05:13 PM
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really nothing at all.

conn fights with proper foot work a guard and the use of glance offs and parrys ali fights with his hands at his waist allways bouncing around and every time he throws anything with his left he cant help but pull his right back.





Ali fought nothing like that. Don't just throw stuff out there.




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Old 09-05-2010, 07:46 PM
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People have made this argument before. It's stupid and you're repeating a stupid argument for attention.

Conn fought nothing like Ali. At all. He was a fundamentals master who went inside on Joe and took away his leverage and then stepped out while staying small. It's not hard to find the fight. You should watch it.

Ali might have beaten Joe. It would have nothing to do with what Conn did.
It didn't have anything to do with what Conn did. Ali was a better fighter anyway. But the speed and movement bothered Louis, so that can certainly be used to guage it.
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Old 09-05-2010, 10:21 PM
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Conn and Ali arn't similar apart from both being faster on their feet than Louis.
I'm probably a bit old fashioned but you could use a film of Billy Conn to teach your son how to box, as talented as Ali was you wouldn't use a film of his.
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