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Old 08-07-2010, 01:08 PM
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I hate to say this. I'm a big fan of marciano and I loved his fights. But let's be honest here, some people actually mention his name with ali, foreman, frazier etc it's not fair to them.

Marcianos best wins were against guys that were over 40 and way past their primes. He retired at 32 because he knew floyd patterson would flatten him.

Good jaw, amazing work ethic and a decent hitting right hand was about all he had to offer to the boxing world.
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:14 PM
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Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles (twice) Jersey Joe Walcott (twice) LaStarza (twice) Archie Moore, Harry Mathews, Lex Layne, Vingo & ****ell all beaten & battered by `The Rock`....
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:15 PM
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If you're going to make an argument against Marciano atleast state things that are true. Marciano beat every opponent who was put in front of him, including greats like Moore, Charles and Walcott, who were not way over 40 and still had fight left in them, even if not arguably at the peak of their boxing careers. And he most certainly did not retire due to Patterson.

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Old 08-07-2010, 01:25 PM
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Charles, Walcott, Moore and Louis were all rated the #1 contenders when Marciano beat them. even his underrated wins like Rex Layne, ****ell and LaStarza were rated in the top 5 when he beat them.

the only guy that Marciano really 'missed out' on fighting was Nino Valdez, but Moore beat him at HW before Marciano fought him, so...
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Old 08-07-2010, 01:28 PM
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I hate to say this. I'm a big fan of marciano and I loved his fights. But let's be honest here, some people actually mention his name with ali, foreman, frazier etc it's not fair to them.

Marcianos best wins were against guys that were over 40 and way past their primes. He retired at 32 because he knew floyd patterson would flatten him.

Good jaw, amazing work ethic and a decent hitting right hand was about all he had to offer to the boxing world.

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Old 08-07-2010, 02:00 PM
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I hate to say this. I'm a big fan of marciano and I loved his fights. But let's be honest here, some people actually mention his name with ali, foreman, frazier etc it's not fair to them.

Title of the post was fine. Problem was you wrote in it and exposed your lack of boxing knowledge. Nothing wrong at all with rating him above Foreman or Frazier p4p. Nothing. at. all.
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Old 08-07-2010, 02:13 PM
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You guys keep throwing out names, but theres more to a win than a name. He beat legends, but these legends were past their prime. His top 8 wins were against guys with the average of 40 years old, some a little younger some a little older.
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Old 08-07-2010, 08:15 PM
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You guys keep throwing out names, but theres more to a win than a name. He beat legends, but these legends were past their prime. His top 8 wins were against guys with the average of 40 years old, some a little younger some a little older.
The oldest was 39 I believe so not sure how you do your averages?
Layne and La Starza were good fighters in their 20s, Charles was only a couple of years older than Marciano.
Not the greatest resume but he beat all in front of him and everyone who put themself in a position to challenge him.
Personally I have little doubt he would have taken care of Patterson so until Liston came along 5 or 6 years later there was no one on the horizon who could have beaten him.
Never lost, off his feet for a total of 5 seconds, for sure not the most cultured fighter to be HW champ but no one in history would have taken him lightly and would have known they were in a fight
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Old 08-07-2010, 09:39 PM
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a decent hitting right hand
If by "decent" you mean one of the two or three most powerful right hands ever then I'll agree with you.

I agree he's not a top 10 p4p ATG but he's most certainly top 50. I have him at #17 on my all-time p4p top 100 list.
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Depends on whether you are rating him by skills, heart or his accomplishments!
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