Bookmark Website  | Free Registration  | The Team
Boxing Champions |  Boxing Schedule |  Boxing Video  |  Boxing History   |  Pound For Pound  | Lounge  | The Wire |  Audio  | Arcade

Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Non Stop Boxing
Reply
Thread Navigation

#1
Old 07-25-2010, 03:36 AM
JK1700
Boxing Virtuoso
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: England
Age: 20
Posts: 3,484
Rep Power: 13 JK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 4,066,765.59
Bank: 6,702,166,385.21
Total Points: 6,706,233,150.80
keep up the good work champ - Atreyu Khalil Cheers! - dan_cov 
Default How is Patricia Morse Jarman still allowed to judge fights?

I have heard that it's confirmed she will be one of the judges in the Juan Diaz - Juan Manuel Marquez rematch and I have to question how this is allowed. Here are some of the reasons why...


1. Gabriel Campillo L12 Beibut Shumenov - She had Shumenov winning 117-111 in a fight that Campillo dominated and was robbed. If you don't believe me then judge it for yourself and you will see that Campillo outworked, outboxed, outclassed and outpunched Shumenov in almost every round. I scored the fight 118-110 and I maybe could have had it 117-111 or 116-112 but there is absolutley no way Shumenov won the fight. She had him winning 9 out of 12 rounds.

Here is a quote from Campillo's manager, Sampson Lewkowicz :

"I demand a full investigation on the judge who scored 117-111 [Patricia Morse Jarman]. It was another travesty for boxing. I want a full investigation on the judge. That judge put a black eye on boxing and a black eye on all of the judges in Nevada and all the people of Nevada. She can never come back to judge again. She is either blind or got paid off - one of the two. Keith Kizer is one the best commissioners and he will never allow that [for her to judge again]."

But she is being allowed to judge again. Unbelievable!

Of course this is the main reason why I believe she shouldnt be allowed to ever judge again but here are some more examples of her bizarre scoring.

2. Oscar De La Hoya vs Fernando Vargas - She had Vargas ahead 97-94 going into the 11th round. Meaning of the 10 rounds she gave SIX to Vargas and just THREE to De La Hoya and one even. I think most people will agree with me that it was a competitive fight but after about Round 5 - De La Hoya just took control prior to his KO over Vargas. Giving SIX of the first 10 rounds to Vargas and only THREE to Oscar is something that has to be questioned.

3. Juan Manuel Marquez vs Marco Antonio Barrera - She had Marquez winning by five points in a fight that I thought was extremely close. I actually had Barrera winning by one point, You can make a case for Marquez winning but I thought 116-111 was unrealistic. So much for "taking the title from the champion", Barrera was given the raw deal in that fight. It could easily have been a majority or split decision.

4. Marco Antonio Barrera vs Naseem Hamed - She had Barrera winning 115-112. I'm British but come on, Your tripping if you think Naz won more than 3 rounds. Barrera whooped his ass and controlled the fight. How can you call that a close fight? I dont understand.

5. Zab Judah vs Rafael Pineda - She had Judah winning 115-112, I like Zab but he lost this fight. He scored a knockdown but after the first 4 rounds Pineda controlled the fight. This isnt a "big" fight, I feel Judah got the decision because he was the big name and had just came off the 1st loss to Spinks. He had to win, I think she had that more in mind that who was actually doing the work in the rounds. If Pineda was a big name in his prime, He would have got the win.



I'm curious to know what people think about this. There have been controversial judges with controversial scorecards before but this women has shown herself to be incapable of scoring a fight before. And I just don't understand how you can allow her to judge again after the Campillo-Shumenov fight which was travesty of a robbery. As bad as anything the sport has ever seen before. It's bad for boxing that people like her arent questioned or just removed from judging for good. Boxing doesnt need big name judges it just needs people who do their job right, And she does not.

Last edited by JK1700; 07-25-2010 at 03:49 AM.
Reply With Quote
JK1700 is offline
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
#2
Old 07-25-2010, 03:40 AM
Motofan
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: America
Posts: 6,914
Rep Power: 23 Motofan has a reputation beyond reputeMotofan has a reputation beyond reputeMotofan has a reputation beyond reputeMotofan has a reputation beyond reputeMotofan has a reputation beyond reputeMotofan has a reputation beyond reputeMotofan has a reputation beyond reputeMotofan has a reputation beyond reputeMotofan has a reputation beyond reputeMotofan has a reputation beyond reputeMotofan has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,022,005,041,912.74
Bank: 4,941,923,925.63
Total Points: 1,026,946,965,838.37
Default

Im with you 100% on this one. Boxing needs to clean house badly when it comes to judges who cant judge fights fairly and/or correctly. Considering the fact that Diaz got a nice "gift" win not too long ago, I wouldnt be very happy about this if I was Marquez. Lucky for him I dont think the judges will be involved.
Reply With Quote
Motofan is offline
#3
Old 07-25-2010, 03:40 AM
JK1700
Boxing Virtuoso
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: England
Age: 20
Posts: 3,484
Rep Power: 13 JK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 4,066,765.59
Bank: 6,702,166,385.21
Total Points: 6,706,233,150.80
keep up the good work champ - Atreyu Khalil Cheers! - dan_cov 
Default

I want some opinion on this.
Reply With Quote
JK1700 is offline
#4
Old 07-25-2010, 03:44 AM
5burowz
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: May 2006
Age: 37
Posts: 1,123
Rep Power: 11 5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 173,909.73
Bank: 65.62
Total Points: 173,975.35
Default

They can't fire her because she's black. Pretty easy to see.
Reply With Quote
5burowz is offline
#5
Old 07-25-2010, 03:45 AM
JK1700
Boxing Virtuoso
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: England
Age: 20
Posts: 3,484
Rep Power: 13 JK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 4,066,765.59
Bank: 6,702,166,385.21
Total Points: 6,706,233,150.80
keep up the good work champ - Atreyu Khalil Cheers! - dan_cov 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Motofan View Post
Im with you 100% on this one. Boxing needs to clean house badly when it comes to judges who cant judge fights fairly and/or correctly. Considering the fact that Diaz got a nice "gift" win not too long ago, I wouldnt be very happy about this if I was Marquez. Lucky for him I dont think the judges will be involved.
I agree, What gets me is it seems like people want big name judges for fights. But we don't, We just need judges who score the fights properly and fairly. Mrs Jarman has a history of controversial scoring, I hope it doesnt come into play but having her their always leaves the chance of a robbery. And that shouldnt be allowed, Marquez and Diaz should be able to have the mindset of "I can go into this fight and outbox him and get the win fairly" but after the Campillo-Shumenov fight, There will be doubts in their mind's about the judging and Golden Boy's possible influence on them.

Especially since Diaz NEEDS to win this fight to save his career and Marquez is close to the end of his career. We'll have to wait and see what happens, Hopefully there won't be any controversy.
Reply With Quote
JK1700 is offline
#6
Old 07-25-2010, 03:54 AM
JK1700
Boxing Virtuoso
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: England
Age: 20
Posts: 3,484
Rep Power: 13 JK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 4,066,765.59
Bank: 6,702,166,385.21
Total Points: 6,706,233,150.80
keep up the good work champ - Atreyu Khalil Cheers! - dan_cov 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 5burowz View Post
They can't fire her because she's black. Pretty easy to see.
They arent "firing her", She gets assigned as a judge for these big fights despite the controversy of Campillo-Shumenov. The power's that are in boxing should not allow people like her to "judge" again.
Reply With Quote
JK1700 is offline
#7
Old 07-25-2010, 04:03 AM
5burowz
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: May 2006
Age: 37
Posts: 1,123
Rep Power: 11 5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute5burowz has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 173,909.73
Bank: 65.62
Total Points: 173,975.35
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JK1700 View Post
They arent "firing her", She gets assigned as a judge for these big fights despite the controversy of Campillo-Shumenov. The power's that are in boxing should not allow people like her to "judge" again.
Uh, same ****ing difference, chief. She's black AND a woman...she ain't going nowhere...trust me. She gets assigned because she she can play the race card AND the woman card if they were to ever NOT assign her. She'll be a judge as long as she wants to be one...unfortunately.
Reply With Quote
5burowz is offline
#8
Old 07-25-2010, 04:13 AM
edgarg
Honest BoxingScene posts
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 9,903
Rep Power: 33 edgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 25,737,952.50
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 25,737,952.50
Top Poster - WLAD OWNS one of boxingscene's best - Carnivore you're great poster - keep on setting them straight! - Freedom. your an excellent poster - happyman You're a tremendous poster. - Weltschmerz 
Again, great post man - Cuauhtémoc1520 So you can kiss up to Bob Arum better - ShoulderRoll For being a very knowledgeable poster! - PainfromUkraine for helping - jas 
Default

for a win , TWO judges are required... THREE for a UD........
Reply With Quote
edgarg is offline
#9
Old 07-25-2010, 04:16 AM
JK1700
Boxing Virtuoso
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: England
Age: 20
Posts: 3,484
Rep Power: 13 JK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond reputeJK1700 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 4,066,765.59
Bank: 6,702,166,385.21
Total Points: 6,706,233,150.80
keep up the good work champ - Atreyu Khalil Cheers! - dan_cov 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by edgarg View Post
for a win , TWO judges are required... THREE for a UD........
Exactly, I never said otherwise. But if you could avoid having a women who doesnt know how to score fights judging fights....Then why wouldnt you?

She shouldn't be allowed to judge. Period.
Reply With Quote
JK1700 is offline
#10
Old 07-25-2010, 04:32 AM
edgarg
Honest BoxingScene posts
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 9,903
Rep Power: 33 edgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond reputeedgarg has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 25,737,952.50
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 25,737,952.50
Top Poster - WLAD OWNS one of boxingscene's best - Carnivore you're great poster - keep on setting them straight! - Freedom. your an excellent poster - happyman You're a tremendous poster. - Weltschmerz 
Again, great post man - Cuauhtémoc1520 So you can kiss up to Bob Arum better - ShoulderRoll For being a very knowledgeable poster! - PainfromUkraine for helping - jas 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by edgarg View Post
for a win , TWO judges are required... THREE for a UD........
I just loked up Hamed-Barrera it was a UD, 111-117, 112-115, 112-115.
Jarman scored 112-115. So one respected Judge scored the same, 112-115, and the otherscored it actually much wider than Jarman...................

I couldn't be bothered looking up the other fights, I think I have a reasonable idea as to how they were scored.
Reply With Quote
edgarg is offline
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
controversy, jarman, morse, patricia

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Privacy Policy - Submit News - Feedback - Site Map - Advertise with Us

Copyright © 2003-2013 BoxingScene LLC All rights reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:22 AM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.