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Old 07-19-2010, 03:59 PM
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Default Avigdor Lieberman suggests Gaza Withdrawal

GOOD NEWS?

Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieverman of the conservative party Yisrael Beituni in the current coalition government has expressed a desire to withdraw completely from Gaza.

The current situation is this:

1 Israel has evacuated all the settlements and the armed forces from gaza 5 years ago, the main reason was to withdraw from occupied gaza and cut any israeli ties to it, making it a free territory that is not under control or responsibility of israel.

2 Israel still controls the aerial and naval spaces of the gaza strip.

3 Israel is still responsible for providing water, electricity, and necessary goods to gaza.

4 as such, israel still actually controls gaza, and is still actually responsible for the basic humanitarian needs in gaza.

What Lieberman has proposed is this:

1 Raise funds from israel, the EU, and the UN, to build a power plant and a desalination facility, so gaza can depend on itself for water and electricity.

2 Withdraw all naval forces, stop the aerial and sea control of gaza

3 Israel will have a closed border with gaza.

4 Israel won't interfere about whats getting in and out of gaza (aside from the israeli boarder), gaza will have total aerial and naval freedom, and freedom on the egyptian boarder (if egypt doesn't close the boarder too), israel won't interfere on anything regarding gaza, its boarders, it's trade, or anything else.

5 As such, the occupation of the gaza strip will be seen as ended. israel will declaim the gaza strip and won't be responsible for it. the situation following the 1967 war regarding the gaza strip will technically be reversed. the EU or the UN will be free to claim mandate over gaza if they want, non of israel's business.

However, Binyamin Netanyahu of the bigger mainstream party Likud opposes it SURPRISE SURPRISE. (as do Hamas and the PLO for some pathetic reason)

http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/ne...gaza-plan.aspx

New York - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is indicating that he opposes a controversial proposal by his foreign minister, far-right leader Avigdor Lieberman, to sever all ties with the Gaza Strip.

Heres an article about Lieberman's proposal:

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...r-all-1.302724

Disengage from Gaza once and for all

Israel's left should support the idea of the European Union's taking effective responsibility for the development of the Gaza Strip, even if Lieberman is the one who proposed it. Anyone who wants to view this idea as European neocolonialism is free to do so.

By Shlomo Avineri

Even those who are not fans of Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman must admit that his plan to invite European foreign ministers to visit the Gaza Strip is a creative and positive step. The initiative could also symbolize Israel's final disengagement from Gaza, the consummation of a process that was never completed, primarily due to opposition raised by a defense establishment that has tended to look at the Gaza issue solely from a narrow security perspective, while ignoring the tremendous damage that the blockade has caused to Israel.

If Israel claims that there is no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip, there is no reason to prevent visits to the area, as it has tried to do in the past. As it turns out, after dozens of years of controlling Gaza, in an occupation that failed to prevent the rise of Hamas and the stockpiling and smuggling of arms, it seems that Israel is having difficulty freeing itself from a sense of domination and authority. Though we might quibble over Lieberman's motives, it is now his turn to lead a complex series of steps that might bring to an end a policy that Ariel Sharon initiated, with wide public support: freeing Israel from control and responsibility in Gaza.

After evacuating Israeli settlers from Gaza, we found ourselves locked in an absurd predicament. Israel no longer occupies Gaza, but since it demanded that control over crossing points and the coast remain in its hands, it has created a situation that has no parallel in the world: Israel has no control, but is regarded as being responsible for Gaza. Similarly, the ludicrous idea of enforcing a blockade on 1.5 million people in order to "pressure" Hamas into releasing Gilad Shalit is a proven, unmitigated failure that is tainted by a fundamental moral flaw. And the notion that any sort of Israeli policy will determine who rules the Palestinians, and will weaken or strengthen Hamas or Mahmoud Abbas, is nothing more than sheer hubris.

Should the foreign minister's plan win the support of the prime minister and the defense establishment and be implemented, Israel would allow the European Union to take responsibility for infrastructure development in Gaza and supervision of the cargo entering the region, in coordination with Israeli security officials. The implications of such a development would be complex; even were the EU not to maintain direct contacts with Hamas, clearly these steps could not be taken without some sort of coordination with Ismail Haniyeh's government. The Palestinian Authority, and perhaps the Obama administration, would not be thrilled by such a development, but it undoubtedly would suit Israeli interests.

True, one of the foreign minister's motives might be to reduce the chances of an agreement being forged between Fatah and Hamas, by enhancing the Gaza Strip's status as a separate entity. But so far, even in the absence of Lieberman's initiative, all attempts to obtain such an agreement have failed. Residents of Gaza and Israel are the parties who have paid the price for these failures. The State of Israel must get used to the idea that its border with Gaza should be viewed like its border with Syria. Put simply, Gaza is a foreign country, and the fact that its government is highly unpalatable to Israel is irrelevant. After all, the government in Damascus is not exactly run by lovers of Zion.

Israel's left should support the idea of the European Union's taking effective responsibility for the development of the Gaza Strip, even if Lieberman is the one who proposed it. Anyone who wants to view this idea as European neocolonialism is free to do so. The important point is that after reaching a strategic decision to disengage from Gaza, and after coming to the brink of a civil revolt as a result of this decision, Israel should finish the job. And if the European Union is so concerned about humanitarian aspects of life in Gaza, it should take the reins of responsibility with its own hands.
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Old 07-19-2010, 04:00 PM
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Ending the blockade will be a good start.
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Old 07-19-2010, 04:03 PM
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Old 07-19-2010, 04:06 PM
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Here's the Hamas position. I don't get it?

http://gulftoday.ae/portal/6fb047fa-...05a52d96b.aspx



GAZA CITY: Hamas has rejected a new plan by Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, aimed at ridding Israel of any responsibility for the Gaza Strip.

According to Lieberman’s plan, which was published by the Yedioth Ahronoth daily, Gaza — with European assistance — will become an entirely independent entity. In this way, Lieberman believes, the world will finally recognise the end of the Israeli occupation there.

A spokesman for Hamas, Sami Abu Zuhri, said the organisation was opposed to separating the Gaza Strip from the West Bank.

“We will not allow the occupation to evade its legal responsibility as long as it continues to occupy Palestinian land. Gaza is a part of the Palestinian homeland and we reject its disengagement from the rest of the homeland,” he said.

“The occupation in the Gaza Strip continues despite the withdrawal of Zionist forces and despite the disbanding of settlements,” Abu Zuhri added.

“This is an (Israeli) attempt to evade its responsibility for the siege. The removal of the siege is a legal right according to international and human rights law, and we must separate between the removal of the siege and the disengagement of the Gaza Strip from the rest of the homeland.”


According to Lieberman’s plan, Israel will fully lift the siege of the Gaza Strip and allow ships to dock at Gaza port without being inspected in Israel first. Ships that will undergo inspection in Cyprus or Greece will be allowed to continue towards

Gaza. According to the proposal, Israel will also allow European countries to implement plans aimed at improving the lives of the coastal enclave’s residents. Israel’s border with territory will be hermetically sealed.

Lieberman plans to present his plan to Catherine Ashton, the European Union commissioner for foreign affairs, during her scheduled visit to Israel and the Gaza Strip beginning on Saturday. Ashton will be accompanied by six European foreign ministers.
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Here's the Hamas position. I don't get it?

http://gulftoday.ae/portal/6fb047fa-...05a52d96b.aspx



GAZA CITY: Hamas has rejected a new plan by Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, aimed at ridding Israel of any responsibility for the Gaza Strip.

According to Lieberman’s plan, which was published by the Yedioth Ahronoth daily, Gaza — with European assistance — will become an entirely independent entity. In this way, Lieberman believes, the world will finally recognise the end of the Israeli occupation there.

A spokesman for Hamas, Sami Abu Zuhri, said the organisation was opposed to separating the Gaza Strip from the West Bank.

“We will not allow the occupation to evade its legal responsibility as long as it continues to occupy Palestinian land. Gaza is a part of the Palestinian homeland and we reject its disengagement from the rest of the homeland,” he said.

“The occupation in the Gaza Strip continues despite the withdrawal of Zionist forces and despite the disbanding of settlements,” Abu Zuhri added.

“This is an (Israeli) attempt to evade its responsibility for the siege. The removal of the siege is a legal right according to international and human rights law, and we must separate between the removal of the siege and the disengagement of the Gaza Strip from the rest of the homeland.


According to Lieberman’s plan, Israel will fully lift the siege of the Gaza Strip and allow ships to dock at Gaza port without being inspected in Israel first. Ships that will undergo inspection in Cyprus or Greece will be allowed to continue towards

Gaza. According to the proposal, Israel will also allow European countries to implement plans aimed at improving the lives of the coastal enclave’s residents. Israel’s border with territory will be hermetically sealed.

Lieberman plans to present his plan to Catherine Ashton, the European Union commissioner for foreign affairs, during her scheduled visit to Israel and the Gaza Strip beginning on Saturday. Ashton will be accompanied by six European foreign ministers.
Exactly, Israel doesn't want that. There's always a catch isn't there?

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Old 07-19-2010, 04:10 PM
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No obession here.
dude, my friends were on that boat...

Its big news if progress is being made and the boats are helping. People didn't die in vain. I hope.
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Exactly, Israel doesn't want that. There's always a catch isn't there?
Theres no blockade on the West Bank. Its there cos of thje Israeli position on Hamas.

Lieberman is saying to disengage from the Strip and just have a closed border there. Sea and air passage to be reinstated.

Palestine Airlines anyone?

It could become the main port for the Palestinian national authority. It certainly used to be. Imports and exports could be reinstated travel to the West Bank with little hassle.

Its all possible.
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The Israelis are gradually coming to realize their current situation with Gaza cannot continue indefinitely.
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