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Old 06-19-2010, 03:22 PM
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If the blockade is legal then the interception is legal, as I have been saying all along. The question is whether the blockade is legal. Guilfoyle doesn't think so, but the legality of the blockade falls outside his field of expertise. In other words it's debatable.

I can see signs of bias in his statement though. A blockade must be publicised and proportionate. He does not think that it was well publicised. This is clear bias. The presence of the blockade has been international news since its inception, and the flotilla knew that it was in place: In fact breaching the blockade was their purpose... It would be highly dishonest to suggest that they didn't know the blockade was in place. His second point may well be valid. Is the blockade proportionate to the threat?

Here you are able to argue that Israel are in the wrong... Having said that the blockade was in response to almost non-stop rocket attacks against its civilians. Granted these attacks were seldom successful but the intent to cause civilian casualties was definitely there.


So in short there is a case to argue. If the blockade is legal so is the interception. I'm glad Al Jazeera have conceded this point.


i'm not going to argue with you because of the language burden , i can't express my ideas . but previously you described the blockade as "perfectly legal" , now you changed your mind and said it's debatable .Guilfoyle is a maritime legal expert and i don't understand why do you find what he said outside his field . he definitely knows better than both of us in this field.
of course the flotilla knew the blockade was in place but this returns us to the zero point : is it legal ?
and we know that the blockade was publicised by the media . but is this the formal way to declare a maritime blockade in the UN ?
I think the most important part of the interview since notification is dabatable , is that there is a lot of condemnation for the blockade , we can use it as a metric for the legality of the blockade. and second , we have UN agencies saying insufficient aid is getting through to Gaza , and that alone rises serious concerns about legality as he said . these to points make the blockade most likely to be illegal .
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Old 06-19-2010, 03:37 PM
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Squealpiggy hates Muslims because he feels they don't approve of his gay lifestyle.

He has no mercy or compassion for the children of Gaza. He's the archetypal shallow, superficial homosexual. He only worries about what man he's going to sleep with the next weekend.

His flippant, *****y attitude is evident in most of his posts.

He's become worse the past year or two because he's going through a kind of mid-life crisis, feeling insecure about getting old and not being able to get a man.
that explains alot
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Old 06-19-2010, 03:52 PM
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I just think it's fascinating that you'd characterize me as some sort of dhimmi given that the other cretins who try and vilify me say that I hate muslims.
Sorry. A gay conservative is not the most common thing in the world.

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Old 06-19-2010, 04:05 PM
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Squealpiggy hates Muslims because he feels they don't approve of his gay lifestyle.

He has no mercy or compassion for the children of Gaza. He's the archetypal shallow, superficial homosexual. He only worries about what man he's going to sleep with the next weekend.

His flippant, *****y attitude is evident in most of his posts.

He's become worse the past year or two because he's going through a kind of mid-life crisis, feeling insecure about getting old and not being able to get a man.
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You lie and claim the blockade is legal, and the attack and killing of the activists in international waters was legal.

You know full well both were illegal, but your insecurity about Muslims disapproving of your homosexual lifestyle causes you to always side against them.

You approve of a blockade that's a collective punishment of over a million people because you hate and fear Muslims.

Siege takes toll on Gaza children

every single post that I'm quoting here has no relevance to anything this thread is about and frankly SqueelyPig's post was the most intellectual post on this thread so far so either say something of relevance or get out because your just wasting space.

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Old 06-19-2010, 04:44 PM
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but previously you described the blockade as "perfectly legal" , now you changed your mind and said it's debatable
I'm of the opinion that a blockade, while undesirable, is justifiable under the legal requisites for engaging it. And ultimately if you want to make statements like "it's illegal" those are the measurements by which the action has to be judged. Guilfoyle's opinion is that Gaza's civilians are disproportionately damaged by the blockade. Because of the curious use of civilian paramilitary by Hamas this is a trickier question than it would be if the blockaded country had a clearly defined military.

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Guilfoyle is a maritime legal expert and i don't understand why do you find what he said outside his field
Because he's gone beyond commenting on the legality of maritime blockades and the legal requirements and started to comment on the political and military make-up of Palestine.

Remember too that the question of the legality of the military blockade is one of opinion unless settled by case law, because of the curious status of Palestinian paramilitary. Guilfoyle may well have a point about the proportionality of the blockade, but adjusting the items which are prohibited to allow more fresh food etc to be sent into Gaza would solve this problem without having to lift the blockade.

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quote]of course the flotilla knew the blockade was in place but this returns us to the zero point : is it legal ?
I think an important point is that in order for the blockade to be legal it has to also be effective. This is for a good reason. It's to prevent nations from declaring a blockade to enable them to arbitrarily board and seize ships and cargo. If Israel were to turn a blind eye and just allow the flotilla to land in a blockaded port then the legal status of the blockade would be instantly voided. In order to continue a blockade Israel has to enforce it. Israel obviously consider their blockade to be legal and there have been no legal challenges to its legitimacy, so it is compelled to act to maintain it.

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and we know that the blockade was publicised by the media . but is this the formal way to declare a maritime blockade in the UN ?
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Old 06-19-2010, 06:31 PM
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maritime law? LMFAO

the blockade is dependent on only two things.

military power and political will.

if israel wants to blockade gaza , they can until someone can break that blockade militarily or if there is enough political pressure to make the israelis lift it.
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maritime law? LMFAO

the blockade is dependent on only two things.

military power and political will.

if israel wants to blockade gaza , they can until someone can break that blockade militarily or if there is enough political pressure to make the israelis lift it.
Of course it's true that "might is right", really that's the only law. But if you're going to declare everything that Israel does to be "illegal" it helps to know which laws are being allegedly broken.
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