James Toney Or Lennox Lewis? Who's Greater?

[iron mike tyson]

Originally Posted by General Zod

What top fighters did Lewis beat according to you?

your the 1 arguing against it go and disect hes career honestly and get back to me

[General Zod]

Originally Posted by krazyn8tive

The last true UNDISPUTED heavyweight and LINEAL CHAMPION...Lennox Lewis. Have a nice day

Being the lineal champion doesnt make you great, ask Buster Douglas. Lewis was stripped of all his belts for refusing to fight: Byrd, Ruiz and Vitali.

[General Zod]

Originally Posted by iron mike tyson

your the 1 arguing against it go and disect hes career honestly and get back to me

What top fighters did he beat, according to you? Surely you must have some idea otherwise you cant defend you position.

[krazyn8tive]

Originally Posted by General Zod

Based on what Criteria? who did Lewis beat that was comparable to Nunn or McCallum? Toney koed Holyfield something that Lewis couldnt do in 24 rounds

Based on having all the belts. Based on avenging his two losses. Based on beating EVERY fighter he ever faced. Based on fact. Stop trashing his accomplishments. He beat the best of his era handily. Stop finding reasons to trash this Hall of Famer. Based on retiring on top. Based on retiring under his own terms. Did I mention the Hall of Fame status? Based on his Olympic accomplishments. Based on his Amatuer background. I can go on and on. Please stop trashing the good people of the sport just for a failing arguement

[krazyn8tive]

Originally Posted by krazyn8tive

Based on having all the belts. Based on avenging his two losses. Based on beating EVERY fighter he ever faced. Based on fact. Stop trashing his accomplishments. He beat the best of his era handily. Stop finding reasons to trash this Hall of Famer. Based on retiring on top. Based on retiring under his own terms. Did I mention the Hall of Fame status? Based on his Olympic accomplishments. Based on his Amatuer background. I can go on and on. Please stop trashing the good people of the sport just for a failing arguement

[iron mike tyson]

Originally Posted by General Zod

What top fighters did he beat, according to you? Surely you must have some idea otherwise you cant defend you position.

olympic gold medalist stopping riddick bowe
solid wins over
tyrell biggs
razor ruddock
tony tucker
frank bruno
tommy morrison
ray mercer (distputed in some circles)
henry akinwande
andrew golota
shannon briggs (was still classed as lineal champ)
evander holyfield (clearly won the first and won the 2nd)
michael grant (considered the next best thing because of hes passport)
francois botha
david tua
mike tyson (imo would of beat any version of tyson but even in the faded version still nice to have to name sake)
vitaly klitschko(ppl talk about this fight because lewis was behind after 5 but championship fights are fought over 12 rounds and at time of stoppage both fighters was blowing out there arses but lewis was getting into the task)

hes loses to mccal and rahman hurt hes legacy but at least he avenged both defeats which looks nice in history
now disect me toneys

[iron mike tyson]

only names missing from hes era are michael moorer george foreman and riddick bowe

[iron mike tyson]

you also say he was stripped of all hes titles he vacated the wba and ibf because of there mandatories (ruiz and byrdd) and retired on the wbc

[General Zod]

Originally Posted by krazyn8tive

Based on having all the belts.

Due to the fact that there are so many belts, the original belt holder has to be taken into account as well.

Originally Posted by krazyn8tive

Based on avenging his two losses. Based on beating EVERY fighter he ever faced. Based on fact. Stop trashing his accomplishments.

First of all dont tell me what to do and secondly where have I lied?

Originally Posted by krazyn8tive

He beat the best of his era handily. Stop finding reasons to trash this Hall of Famer. Based on retiring on top. Based on retiring under his own terms.

After beating Holyfiled to become the undisputed champion Lewis vacated his IBF belt to avoid facing Byrd. He would later on vacate his WBA belt to avoid facing Ruiz. Due to the inconclisive nature of his win over Vitali he was ordered by the WBC to give Vitali a rematch, he said he would then chose to retire instead. Is this great according to you? He never beat the best of his ers handily either, there were a number of fighters he struggled with Bruno, Rahman, Holyfield, McCall

Originally Posted by krazyn8tive

Did I mention the Hall of Fame status? Based on his Olympic accomplishments. Based on his Amatuer background. I can go on and on. Please stop trashing the good people of the sport just for a failing arguement

Toney is a hof as well. I have never trashed Lewis accomplishments either, what have I lied about? Was the Tyson he beat prime to you?

[General Zod]

Originally Posted by iron mike tyson

olympic gold medalist stopping riddick bowe
solid wins over

What has his Amateur career got to do with his pro career?

Originally Posted by iron mike tyson

tyrell biggs
razor ruddock
tony tucker
frank bruno
tommy morrison
ray mercer (distputed in some circles)
henry akinwande
andrew golota
shannon briggs (was still classed as lineal champ)
evander holyfield (clearly won the first and won the 2nd)
michael grant (considered the next best thing because of hes passport)
francois botha
david tua
mike tyson (imo would of beat any version of tyson but even in the faded version still nice to have to name sake)
vitaly klitschko(ppl talk about this fight because lewis was behind after 5 but championship fights are fought over 12 rounds and at time of stoppage both fighters was blowing out there arses but lewis was getting into the task)

hes loses to mccal and rahman hurt hes legacy but at least he avenged both defeats which looks nice in history
now disect me toneys

Dude you are trolling with this: Grant? Biggs? Frank Bruno? Akinwande? Morrison? Briggs? Botha?
Are these elite fighters to you? Bruno was a C class fighter at best. Ruddock was shot to hell after two wars with Tyson, why aren't you taking any of this stuff into account? Mercer deserved a rematch and Lewis never gave him one either