Arthur Abraham beat all the top guys at 160 as the IBF champ

[Sweet Jesus]

Kingsley Ikeke
Shannon Taylor
Kofi Jantuah
Edison Miranda
Sebastian Demers
Khoren Gevor
Wayne El****
Elvin Ayala
Edison Miranda
Raul Marquez
Lajuan Simon
Majir Oral

[Sweet Jesus]

Kelly Pavlik would be castrated in America if he did what Abraham did. Kelly has had 3 meaningless defenses and he has been written off as a bum. Abraham had 11 meaningless defenses and he made his name off of them.

Boxing Scene bigotry rears its head again.

[BattlingNelson]

Was they all meaningless fights? I guess none of the fighters was ranked in the top 10 or..???

[Sweet Jesus]

Was they all meaningless fights? I guess none of the fighters was ranked in the top 10 or..???

Top 10 of what? Gary Lockett was rated #1 by the WBO. Rubio was rated #1 by the WBC. Espino was rated #5 by the WBC.

Rankings don't mean anything. Skills and resume is where it's at.

[BattlingNelson]

Top 10 of what? Gary Lockett was rated #1 by the WBO. Rubio was rated #1 by the WBC. Espino was rated #5 by the WBC.

Rankings don't mean anything. Skills and resume is where it's at.

I'm talking Ring Magazine rankings.

[Sweet Jesus]

I'm talking Ring Magazine rankings.

OK, that's a start. At the same time, 160 has been a weak division outside of top 3-4 guys for a while now.

Of the top of my head I know Vyacheslav Senchenko is rated #10 at WW by the Ring right now. Would you consider that a legitimate win for anyone right now?

Abraham deserves credit for the two Miranda wins. S. Taylor, Jantuah, and Demers are at least recognizable names. Plus, he was able to produce a handful of "KO of the year" worthy stoppages. But to say that he walked through a murder's row of opponents at MW is just not true.

[BattlingNelson]

OK, that's a start. At the same time, 160 has been a weak division outside of top 3-4 guys for a while now.

Of the top of my head I know Vyacheslav Senchenko is rated #10 at WW by the Ring right now. Would you consider that a legitimate win for anyone right now?

Abraham deserves credit for the two Miranda wins. S. Taylor, Jantuah, and Demers are at least recognizable names. Plus, he was able to produce a handful of "KO of the year" worthy stoppages. But to say that he walked through a murder's row of opponents at MW is just not true.

But you just said all his 11 defenses was meaningless. So you retract that statement now?

[Sweet Jesus]

But you just said all his 11 defenses was meaningless. So you retract that statement now?

Sure. Nine meaningless defenses. Two good defenses.

[BattlingNelson]

Sure. Nine meaningless defenses. Two good defenses.

So El****, Ayala, Gevor, Marquez and Simon are all rubbish?

[BoxerDood]

So El****, Ayala, Gevor, Marquez and Simon are all rubbish?

Marquez, El****, Simon and Gevor lost every meaningful fight at 154-168. The closest thing Ayala has to a good fight is a draw with the Paulie Malignaggi of 160 while he was green. You can give him a pass if you want, but yes the rest are rubbish, and he probably is too.