Bookmark Website  | Free Registration  | The Team
Boxing Champions |  Boxing Schedule |  Boxing Video  |  Boxing History   |  Pound For Pound  | Lounge  | The Wire |  Audio  | Arcade

Navigation
Go Back   Boxing Forum > Boxing Forums > Boxing History
Reply
Thread Navigation

#21
Old 11-04-2011, 06:56 PM
Sugarj
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,579
Rep Power: 19 Sugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 10,030,079,035.51
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 10,030,079,035.51
For being a cool poster - -IronMike- beer for a good poster - led Top Poster. - Barnburner Great info in the running thread. - Barnburner for the excellent race time (Its new running shoes!) - The Surgeon 
for invaluable advice in the training forum - jas 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hhascup View Post
First of all, if you are going to score a fight, you have to score it with the same scoring system that was used at that time. If you don't a lot of fights would come out differently.


In case anyone wants to know the official scorecards for the first Ali vs. Frazier fight "The fight of the Century" read like this:

Arthur Mercante (referee) Frazier 8 rounds, Ali 6 rounds, 1 even
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
A A F F F A A F F A F E F A F

Arthur Aidala Frazier 9 rounds, Ali 6 rounds
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
A A F F F F F F A A F F A A F

Bill Recht Frazier 11 rounds, Ali 4 rounds
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
F A F F A F F F A F F F F A F


The Officials only scored 7 rounds all the same (5-2 Frazier), so in 8 rounds at least 1 of them had it the other way or even, and that is why people have a big difference in scoring this fight. If you score it as to who won the most rounds by most of the judges, it comes out to 9-6 for Frazier, But it could be the other way around as well.


1. - 2-1 Ali
2. - 3-0 Ali
3. - 3-0 Joe
4. - 3-0 Joe
5. - 2-1 Joe
6. - 2-1 Joe
7. - 2-1 Joe
8. - 3-0 Joe
9. - 2-1 Ali
10 - 2-1 Ali
11 - 3-0 Joe
12 - 2-0-1 Joe
13 - 2-1 Ali
14 - 3-0 Ali
15 - 3-0 Joe


Lord! Arthur Mercante and Arthur Aidala scored round 5 for Frazier!!! Unbelievable.......what were they watching???!

I've just watched round 5 again now to make sure I wasn't deluding myself. Frazier spent more time taunting Ali than actually throwing punches.
Reply With Quote
Sugarj is offline
Advertisements
>>>TO REMOVE THESE ADS, PLEASE REGISTER HERE FOR FREE<<<
#22
Old 11-04-2011, 06:59 PM
hhascup
Interim Champion
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Lodi, New Jersey
Age: 66
Posts: 799
Rep Power: 11 hhascup has a reputation beyond reputehhascup has a reputation beyond reputehhascup has a reputation beyond reputehhascup has a reputation beyond reputehhascup has a reputation beyond reputehhascup has a reputation beyond reputehhascup has a reputation beyond reputehhascup has a reputation beyond reputehhascup has a reputation beyond reputehhascup has a reputation beyond reputehhascup has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 141,452.73
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 141,452.73
1st Prize in quiz. Well done. - McGoorty Nice job - rorymac 
Send a message via AIM to hhascup
Default

Score the fight for yourself:

http://sosoboxing.com/boxing-video-w...uhammad-ali-i/
Reply With Quote
hhascup is offline
#23
Old 11-04-2011, 07:00 PM
Sugarj
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,579
Rep Power: 19 Sugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 10,030,079,035.51
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 10,030,079,035.51
For being a cool poster - -IronMike- beer for a good poster - led Top Poster. - Barnburner Great info in the running thread. - Barnburner for the excellent race time (Its new running shoes!) - The Surgeon 
for invaluable advice in the training forum - jas 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IronDanHamza View Post
I'd say I've watched it close to a thousand times.

You just cant get bored watching it can you? Awesome fight.

Do you watch both versions? I personally prefer the NBC broadcast, the colour looks better and you seem more immersed in the action.
Reply With Quote
Sugarj is offline
#24
Old 11-04-2011, 08:49 PM
Mannie Phresh
LUCAS KO'S FLOYD
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Vegas
Posts: 14,193
Blog Entries: 1
Rep Power: 47 Mannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,111,000,000,028,189.75
Bank: 42,222,510,876,732,144.00
Total Points: 43,333,510,876,760,336.00
Nice user title - rorymac No Message - Tha_Greatest Keep grillin these kids. - Kenny MF Powers No Message - Tha_Greatest No Message - Mannie Phresh 
Happy Easter :kiss: - Bossy Thanks for joining the discussion in my thread about GF's and boxing, its nice to hear everyones experiences with being a fan of the sport!!! - Atreyu Khalil Here's one for the kid. COngrats bro! - led* heres to your baby boy cheers - MARKBNLV Congratulations on your baby boy...have some coffee! - jose830 
No Message - MARKBNLV not sure whos alt u are but i like you lol - ~BoZz~ Happy holidays bro! - led* lmaoooo! what you just posted on MEAT's thread deserves a burger :lol1: - jose830 WAR LUCASSS may the powerful toxins of iguana meat flow thru his veins - thuggery 
No Message - jose830 :luvbed: - -jose- you need more gifts - sugarsmosley great post! - -jose- Mannie Phresh is a G - Mike D 
World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - -jose- 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugarj View Post
I've no idea how you managed to score round 5 for Frazier, it was one of the most decisive in the fight. As BoxingBuff rightly said on page 1 of this thread, 'Frazier gave the round away'.
rewatched rd 5 ali really didnt do much just onn his bicycle i gave it to frazier for aggression
Reply With Quote
Mannie Phresh is online now
#25
Old 11-04-2011, 11:23 PM
DarkTerror88
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,058
Rep Power: 7 DarkTerror88 has a reputation beyond reputeDarkTerror88 has a reputation beyond reputeDarkTerror88 has a reputation beyond reputeDarkTerror88 has a reputation beyond reputeDarkTerror88 has a reputation beyond reputeDarkTerror88 has a reputation beyond reputeDarkTerror88 has a reputation beyond reputeDarkTerror88 has a reputation beyond reputeDarkTerror88 has a reputation beyond reputeDarkTerror88 has a reputation beyond reputeDarkTerror88 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 135,621,776.80
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 135,621,776.80
Good Poster! You need a medal. - "Marvelous" thanks - Toney616 ;) - rorymac In Remembrance..... Smokin' Joe - McGoorty Merry Christmas - The Surgeon 
World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - "Marvelous" Mourning - Anti-Gang - Melanoma - "Marvelous" 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IronDanHamza View Post
I had Fraizer winning convincingly.

And I'll tell you I have never been so happy than when those scorecards were read out.
Same here brother, Preach.
Reply With Quote
DarkTerror88 is offline
#26
Old 11-05-2011, 01:53 AM
bose
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,391
Rep Power: 7 bose has a reputation beyond reputebose has a reputation beyond reputebose has a reputation beyond reputebose has a reputation beyond reputebose has a reputation beyond reputebose has a reputation beyond reputebose has a reputation beyond reputebose has a reputation beyond reputebose has a reputation beyond reputebose has a reputation beyond reputebose has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 27,779.13
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 27,779.13
Default

I just watched "Thrilla in Manilla" it was very good documentary better then "Fight of the Century". I'll have to score the fight but i think most all had Fraizer winning.
Reply With Quote
bose is offline
#27
Old 11-05-2011, 02:08 AM
BennyST
Shhhh...
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 10,040
Rep Power: 62 BennyST has a reputation beyond reputeBennyST has a reputation beyond reputeBennyST has a reputation beyond reputeBennyST has a reputation beyond reputeBennyST has a reputation beyond reputeBennyST has a reputation beyond reputeBennyST has a reputation beyond reputeBennyST has a reputation beyond reputeBennyST has a reputation beyond reputeBennyST has a reputation beyond reputeBennyST has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 50,030,233,117,893.85
Bank: 6,230,118,044,712.07
Total Points: 56,260,351,162,605.92
drink up buddy - mgkirkpatrick You're a great poster - Clegg cheers....great poster. - MELLY-MEL... To a cool guy - Stoppage for being a heavyweight in history section - led 
top poster - IronMike* Best Post award,,, and Geen K - McGoorty one of boxingscene's sh1ttiest posters - Freedom. Easily one of boxingscene's best!! - JAB5239 7,000 posts! - Scott9945 
Happy holidays bro! - led* you deserve a kick for your hatred of the Klitschkos - Freedom. Superb post. - dan_cov 
Gay and Lesbian Pride - Freedom Fighter 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkTerror88 View Post
8-6-1 Frazier

He won pretty convincingly
I have to agree with this. Ali didn't win. It's kind of like those guys that say Leonard won the first fight against Duran. It was a good battle throughout but only one guy was an obvious winner and the right guy won each time.

Frazier won the fight quite clearly, if in a reasonably close fashion. I always have it about 9-6 Frazier. No matter how many times I've watched it, Ali loses it every time. Even when I try to give him close rounds, he still loses too many because despite his good boxing in some rounds, he just gets hit with too many hard punches. A lot of the rounds he won, apart from the clear ones, you could argue were Frazier's due to the harder punches landed.

The rounds often given to Ali, especially by those that say he won, were close and could, possibly should, have gone to Frazier.

Round 1: very close
Round 3: very close
Both of those rounds are often given to Ali. Both very close.
Round 10: I think it's a Frazier round. He won the first and last minute and landed the harder punches and some vicious body shots throughout (about five or six very good body shots in the first minute).
Round 12: Sometimes people bizarrely give this to Ali. Frazier wins it in the first minute clearly, hurting Ali and dominating it.
Round 13: usually given to Ali by those that say he won. It's close, but Frazier is more consistent, lands the harder punches and a lot of body shots. I think a lot of the guys that talk about Ali outboxing Frazier and landing more jabs dismiss the short punches and body shots that Frazier lands in rounds like that.
Round 14: good round for Ali.

Last edited by BennyST; 11-05-2011 at 02:12 AM.
Reply With Quote
BennyST is offline
#28
Old 11-05-2011, 01:30 PM
Sugarj
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,579
Rep Power: 19 Sugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond reputeSugarj has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 10,030,079,035.51
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 10,030,079,035.51
For being a cool poster - -IronMike- beer for a good poster - led Top Poster. - Barnburner Great info in the running thread. - Barnburner for the excellent race time (Its new running shoes!) - The Surgeon 
for invaluable advice in the training forum - jas 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mannie Phresh View Post
rewatched rd 5 ali really didnt do much just onn his bicycle i gave it to frazier for aggression
But what about the combinations Ali connected with? Frazier spent the round coming forward but he didn't throw much at all.....and when he did start taunting Ali, he received a face full of leather.

Oh well, the ref and one judge saw it your way.............what would I know?
Reply With Quote
Sugarj is offline
#29
Old 11-05-2011, 01:53 PM
Mannie Phresh
LUCAS KO'S FLOYD
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Vegas
Posts: 14,193
Blog Entries: 1
Rep Power: 47 Mannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond reputeMannie Phresh has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 1,111,000,000,028,189.75
Bank: 42,222,510,876,732,144.00
Total Points: 43,333,510,876,760,336.00
Nice user title - rorymac No Message - Tha_Greatest Keep grillin these kids. - Kenny MF Powers No Message - Tha_Greatest No Message - Mannie Phresh 
Happy Easter :kiss: - Bossy Thanks for joining the discussion in my thread about GF's and boxing, its nice to hear everyones experiences with being a fan of the sport!!! - Atreyu Khalil Here's one for the kid. COngrats bro! - led* heres to your baby boy cheers - MARKBNLV Congratulations on your baby boy...have some coffee! - jose830 
No Message - MARKBNLV not sure whos alt u are but i like you lol - ~BoZz~ Happy holidays bro! - led* lmaoooo! what you just posted on MEAT's thread deserves a burger :lol1: - jose830 WAR LUCASSS may the powerful toxins of iguana meat flow thru his veins - thuggery 
No Message - jose830 :luvbed: - -jose- you need more gifts - sugarsmosley great post! - -jose- Mannie Phresh is a G - Mike D 
World Trade Center Victims and Heroes - Fireworks Safety - -jose- 
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugarj View Post
But what about the combinations Ali connected with? Frazier spent the round coming forward but he didn't throw much at all.....and when he did start taunting Ali, he received a face full of leather.

Oh well, the ref and one judge saw it your way.............what would I know?
i watched it again lol. i can see you giving it to ali but nobody really did anything to tip the balance so i give it joe on aggression.
Reply With Quote
Mannie Phresh is online now
#30
Old 11-06-2011, 07:39 PM
MJ223
Undisputed Champion
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Washington, DC
Age: 26
Posts: 5,084
Rep Power: 23 MJ223 has a reputation beyond reputeMJ223 has a reputation beyond reputeMJ223 has a reputation beyond reputeMJ223 has a reputation beyond reputeMJ223 has a reputation beyond reputeMJ223 has a reputation beyond reputeMJ223 has a reputation beyond reputeMJ223 has a reputation beyond reputeMJ223 has a reputation beyond reputeMJ223 has a reputation beyond reputeMJ223 has a reputation beyond repute
Points: 6,000,082,276.04
Bank: 8,719,315,157,910.90
Total Points: 8,725,315,240,186.94
No Message - MJ223 No Message - MJ223 No Message - MJ223 No Message - MJ223 No Message - MJ223 
No Message - MJ223 No Message - MJ223 No Message - MJ223 No Message - MJ223 No Message - MJ223 
No Message - MJ223 No Message - MJ223 No Message - MJ223 No Message - MJ223 No Message - MJ223 
No Message - MJ223 Thanks MJ much appreciated - -Pull ma Finga- &quot;I see you pimp&quot; made me :lol1: - jose830 
Adoptee - Bone Cancer - Child Exploitation and Abuse - Hope and Support - Peace - Retinoblastoma - Right to Life - Student Sexual Assault - codey 
Default

Hey fellas its a Joe Frazier appreciation thread in NSB and I would greatly appreciate it if you guys stopped by.
Reply With Quote
MJ223 is offline
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
cards:muhammad, frazier, score

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Privacy Policy - Submit News - Feedback - Site Map - Advertise with Us

Copyright 2003-2014 BoxingScene LLC All rights reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:14 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.