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Roy Jones 34 72.34%
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:09 AM
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Default Lennox Lewis vs Roy Jones: who ranks higher on the ATG list?

Im going with Lewis on this

EDIT: This thread was created in response to Sonnybox's challenge. I'm not a Lewis fan, but im going to play Devil's Advocate here

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Old 03-25-2010, 08:48 AM
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For 9 years Roy Jones was arguably pound for pound number 1 (1995-2004).

He was a pro since 1988! Only in the last 6 years has he been reduced to contender status and was clearly still world class before the Green fight. The Hopkins fight will show us if he has anything left.

I dont know about this journeyman assertion. Tarver and Johnson were top ten pound for pound ranked when he fought them, Calzaghe too. Jeff Lacy was still a world ranked fighter and Hopkins still makes pound for pound top 10lists now.

I'd edge Jones here.......
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:05 AM
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For 9 years Roy Jones was arguably pound for pound number 1 (1995-2004)
Apart from beating Toney back in 94, what did Jones do to deserve to be ranked so high on th p4p list?
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He was a pro since 1988! Only in the last 6 years has he been reduced to contender status and was clearly still world class before the Green fight. The Hopkins fight will show us if he has anything left.
He hasnt beaten a relevant opponent since Tarver I back in 2003
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I dont know about this journeyman assertion. Tarver and Johnson were top ten pound for pound ranked when he fought them, Calzaghe too. Jeff Lacy was still a world ranked fighter and Hopkins still makes pound for pound top 10lists now.
But the point is he lost to all of them
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I'd edge Jones here.......
Lewis avenged all of his loses, something Jones hasn't done, he never allowed his losses to derail his career either. Lewis faced the top guys in his division while Jones somehow managed to miss most of them instead.
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Old 03-25-2010, 10:19 AM
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Roy Jones was No1 P4P for a whole decade and was considered at one stage in his career to be on a par with Sugar Ray Robinson as The Best Fighter of All Time..
What did Jones do to justify being ranked so high since 94? Because he beat Toney people were comparing him to Sugar Ray Robinson? lol. Evertime he fought a Brannon or Lucas he should of fell a place on the P4P rankings

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Jones was ranked so highly on the P4P list because he was so dominant against every world class boxer from 154-175
How was he dominant when he missed the following fighters: Jackson, McClellan, Benn, Collins, Eubank, Nunn, LilIes, Rochiagni, Darius M, Jirov, Littles
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Jones became the only 154lb boxing champion in over 100yrs to move up and capture The Heavyweight Championship of the World... only 2 men in history have ever achieved such a feat, Roy Jones & Bob Fitzsimons which is a remarkable achievement.
Ruiz was a belt holder not the Hw champion, which was Lennox Lewis at the time
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Jones turned pro in 1989 at age 20yrs old, over the next 15yrs Jones won World Titles in 4 weight divisions from 154-200lbs.. such was Jones dominance that he virtually never even lost a single round and was being talked of as the greatest fighter of all times... After 15yrs of "Total-Dominance" Jones should have hung-up his gloves and called it a day with nothing left to prove in the Sport of Boxing,.
While somehow missing all the top fighters
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yet like most he continued on, moving back down from 200lbs to the 175lb division, at age 35yrs it was clear to most that Jones was past his best and was "Losing-his-legs" when he won a close decision over Antonio Tarver.. in Their return fight 6 months later Jones suffered his first ever professional defeat, "Age had finally caught up with Roy Jones"... Jones still campaigns today even tho he is a shell of the superbe fighting machine he was in the 1990s and has suffered 4 defeats
Jones lost to Montell Griffin back in 97, him losing to Tarver had nothing to do with him losing his legs either

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Since 2003 Jones has defeated -
John Ruiz - 2 time Heavyweight Champion
Antonio Tarver - 2 time Light-Heavyweight Champion
Felix Trinidad - 4 Division World Champion
Anthony Hanshaw - (undefeated)
Jeff Lacy - Former IBF Super-Middleweight Champion
Omar Shieka - 4 Time World Title Callenger
I hope you are joking with this list: Sheika, Hankshaw, Tito, Lacy, lol
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Lewis vs Jones - Who ranks higher P4P is like asking who ranks higher between Ray Robinson or Frank Bruno
Lewis best wins:
Vitali Klitschko
Mike Tyson (past prime)
Evander Holyfield(past prime)
Tua
Golota
Tucker
Ruddock (past Prime)

Noticable losses:
McCall
Rahman

Jones Best wins:
Hopkins
Toney
Hill (past prime)
McCallum (past prime)
Ruiz
Johnson (past prime)

Noticable losses:
Johnson
Tarver II
Tarver III
Green
Calzaghe

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Old 03-25-2010, 10:23 AM
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jones was the fukn daddy face it
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Old 03-25-2010, 10:26 AM
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jones was the fukn daddy face it
no, he missed to many fighters and openly ducked Jirov and Nunn
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Old 03-25-2010, 10:28 AM
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What did Jones do to justify being ranked so high since 94? Because he beat Toney people were comparing him to Sugar Ray Robinson? lol. Evertime he fought a Brannon or Lucas he should of fell a place on the P4P rankings


How was he dominant when he missed the following fighters: Jackson, McClellan, Benn, Collins, Eubank, Nunn, LilIes, Rochiagni, Darius M, Jirov, Littles

Ruiz was a belt holder not the Hw champion, which was Lennox Lewis at the time

While somehow missing all the top fighters

Jones lost to Montell Griffin back in 97, him losing to Tarver had nothing to do with him losing his legs either


I hope you are joking with this list: Sheika, Hankshaw, Tito, Lacy, lol


Lewis best wins:
Vitali Klitschko
Mike Tyson (past prime)
Evander Holyfield W
Evander Holyfield D
Tua
Golota
Morrison
Tucker
McCall
Ruddock (past Prime)

Noticable losses:
McCall
Rahman

Jones Best wins:
Hopkins
Toney
Hill (past prime)
McCallum (past prime)
Ruiz (c level fighter)
Johnson (past prime)

Noticable losses:
Johnson
Griffin
Tarver II
Tarver III
Green
Calzaghe
Jones beat Griffin but was disqualified. You are clearly delusional and so is the thread starter.

This LL stuff is ridiculous. How pathetic is your list you have Tyson, Holyfield, Morrison, McCall, etc as LL's best wins.
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Hi Hellboy: I'll take each in turn,

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For 9 years Roy Jones was arguably pound for pound number 1 (1995-2004)

Apart from beating Toney back in 94, what did Jones do to deserve to be ranked so high on th p4p list?




It was the sheer dominance over who he did beat, hardly ever lost rounds. You dont fall pound for pound places for not having amazing rivals unless you look mediocre against mediocre opposition. In this time Lewis wasn't even ranked number one heavyweight consistently, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson and Rahman were ranked ahead of him at times in the 9 years stated



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He was a pro since 1988! Only in the last 6 years has he been reduced to contender status and was clearly still world class before the Green fight. The Hopkins fight will show us if he has anything left.

He hasnt beaten a relevant opponent since Tarver I back in 2003



He had been a pro fifteen years! Give him a break, everyone is allowed to get old! Lewis had retired after 15 years as a pro!!!!!




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I dont know about this journeyman assertion. Tarver and Johnson were top ten pound for pound ranked when he fought them, Calzaghe too. Jeff Lacy was still a world ranked fighter and Hopkins still makes pound for pound top 10lists now.

But the point is he lost to all of them



No, he beat Tarver first time and Lacy too......and who knows how he'll do against Hopkins? All when well past prime. If Lewis had kept fighting since what 2003/4 how many more times would he have lost by now?


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I'd edge Jones here.......

Lewis avenged all of his loses, something Jones hasn't done, he never allowed his losses to derail his career either. Lewis faced the top guys in his division while Jones somehow managed to miss most of them instead.



Yes but Lewis's losses came against journeyman heavyweights who were massive underdogs in the first place. Damn right he should have avenged them. Plus Lewis was at least near his best when he lost these fights, he certainly wasn't shot. Roy was beaten by exceptional fighters when well past prime.

Who are these fighters that you think prime Jones should have faced? Jirov Mitchelcheivski (spelt wrong probably). Cant see him being an underdog there.
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Lewis defeated a higher quality of opponent (I don't count Trinidad for Jones as Trinidad came from a lower natural weight class and had been inactive for years).

But I voted Roy Jones. He totally embarassed his opponents, he was that much better than them. The guy was incredible. He was a genius. At times he toyed with his opponents, which people found boring, but a Jones highlights package is up there with the Mike Tysons and Manny Pacquiaos of the world for sheer entertainment.

I'm a big fan of Roy and Lennox, for their class outside the ring as well as in it. Roy's reaction to Lewis being screwed against Holyfield was classic.
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Jones beat Griffin but was disqualified. You are clearly delusional and so is the thread starter.
he beat him but was also disqualified? He hit him twice when he was taking a knee
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This LL stuff is ridiculous. How pathetic is your list you have Tyson, Holyfield, Morrison, McCall, etc as LL's best wins.
Is this the best you can argue? Why dont you present your case instead of nitpicking?

Jones can claim a 40 year old McCallum as a great win, but Lewis cant have Holyfield? Isnt this the Holyfield that had just beaten Mike twice?

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