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Old 03-03-2010, 09:40 AM
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HAHA.

Yeah, the Klitschkos are so great because of the way they beat terrible HWs. What evidence do we have that the current HWs are weak? We don't need evidence, we have VISION. Any one with eyes can see that guys like Arreola, Danny Williams, Kirk Johnson, Chris Byrd, Kevin Johnson, Lamon Brewster etc. aren't great HWs. Any one with eyes. No one is arguing that Tyson's era is great, the late 80s was poor also, but it was the manner of Tyson's victory and his obvious ability. You look at some of Tyson's best wins and compare them with the Klitschkos best. And you can tell who is the true great. Tyson had speed, power, defence, he covered up well, bobbed and weaved, threw terrific combintions, had a great chin. Both Klitschkos throw powerful right hands, Vitali doesn't really have a jab, Wladimir throws a good left hook. But the are unexciting, they don't throw punches properly (often winging amatuerishly, they don't punch straight out from the shoulder like the traditional trombone technique; if you'd boxed you'd kno what I mean; Wlad does this more so than Vitali. Wlad is a better fighter, but still not HOF), they leave their chins out, they have horribly clumsy styles and they've beat a bunch of nobodies and no-hopers. Fact.

Incredible argument right there, "they are weak because I think they are", no wonder you guys all think you're so right, you think you have the right point of view and are unable to look any further. Now people get in the HOF depending on if they look good or nor, comedy.

It's funny because I had so many times this discussion in tennis forums, with people who said Federer is only that great because he plays in a weak era, and that Sampras is better because when he played there were Agassi, Connors, Becker, etc. Well, how do you expect the competition to win anything if you're crushing them?

BTW I think both Klitschkos will get in the HOF, when they do be sure to send your opinions to them, I'm sure they'll value them greatly
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Old 03-03-2010, 09:41 AM
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HAHA.

Yeah, the Klitschkos are so great because of the way they beat terrible HWs. What evidence do we have that the current HWs are weak? We don't need evidence, we have VISION. Any one with eyes can see that guys like Arreola, Danny Williams, Kirk Johnson, Chris Byrd, Kevin Johnson, Lamon Brewster etc. aren't great HWs. Any one with eyes. No one is arguing that Tyson's era is great, the late 80s was poor also, but it was the manner of Tyson's victory and his obvious ability. You look at some of Tyson's best wins and compare them with the Klitschkos best. And you can tell who is the true great. Tyson had speed, power, defence, he covered up well, bobbed and weaved, threw terrific combintions, had a great chin. Both Klitschkos throw powerful right hands, Vitali doesn't really have a jab, Wladimir throws a good left hook. But the are unexciting, they don't throw punches properly (often winging amatuerishly, they don't punch straight out from the shoulder like the traditional trombone technique; if you'd boxed you'd kno what I mean; Wlad does this more so than Vitali. Wlad is a better fighter, but still not HOF), they leave their chins out, they have horribly clumsy styles and they've beat a bunch of nobodies and no-hopers. Fact.
Does the HOF take the fact they are boring and leave their chins out as reasons for not including somebody?
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For doing what?
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Old 03-03-2010, 09:43 AM
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For doing what?
Dominating the HW division (Wlad moreso than Vitali).
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Old 03-03-2010, 09:44 AM
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Dominating the HW division.
Dominating? Yeah, maybe if one fought the other and won. But claiming you should get into the HOF because you're "dominating" today's HW division is like claiming your the toughest guy in HS because you beat up cheerleaders.
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Old 03-03-2010, 09:46 AM
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Dominating? Yeah, maybe if one fought the other and won. But claiming you should get into the HOF because you're "dominating" today's HW division is like claiming your the toughest guy in HS because you beat up cheerleaders.
Beating every top contender that emerges one after the other, and doing it easily, is dominating. And wow another guy with the argument that today's HW division is weak (with no proof of course), how original. You guys should at least try to argue why the current HW division is weak, because just making general subjective statements like that and expect to be taken seriously is weak as hell.
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Holmes dominated in a weak era too,he never really gets the credit he deserves either.
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Old 03-03-2010, 09:50 AM
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Holmes dominated in a weak era too,he never really gets the credit he deserves either.
Holmes is considered a top 10 HW by most people and top 5 by some, I think that's getting quite a bit of credit. However a lot of people talk about the Klitschkos like they wouldn't even hold a title in another era. Tyson also dominated in a "weak" era, and had a short prime, but look how much love he gets. Seriously apart from the 70s, and 90s, which HW era can not be considered weak compared to those two? The HW division is more or less what it has always been, except for those eras when you had more than 2-3 great fighters fighting between them.

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Old 03-03-2010, 09:58 AM
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Beating every top contender that emerges one after the other, and doing it easily, is dominating. And wow another guy with the argument that today's HW division is weak (with no proof of course), how original. You guys should at least try to argue why the current HW division is weak, because just making general subjective statements like that and expect to be taken seriously is weak as hell.
Proof? List the past five contenders the Klitschko's have beaten. Each.
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Old 03-03-2010, 10:02 AM
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Proof? List the past five contenders the Klitschko's have beaten. Each.
Wlad: Ruslan Chagaev, Thompson, Ibragimov, Austin and Brock, all rated by the ring and two were champions at the time.

Vitali: Johnson, Gomez, Arreola, Peter, all ranked by the ring and one was a champion at the time (I mention 4 because he has only had 4 fights since his comeback)

What is the point in this? That was easy, everyone can check the records and see who they've fought. Are you saying the Klitschkos duck contenders?
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