Ice's random results section...

[Joey Giardello]

Originally Posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY

Alex "The Bronx Bomber" Ramos, famous for his N.Y. Yankees pinstriped boxing trunks, told me that he scored a KO victory over Juan Domingo Roldan and split two fights with Tony "El Torito" Ayala. Alex tells me that he also scored big amateur wins over future world champs J.B. Williamson and Duane Thomas as well as a late 1970'S NYC Golden Gloves decision over future legend Mike "The Bodysnatcher" McCallum.

John av heard people say ayala never lost in the last ten years of his amateur career?

[AKATheMack]

Thank you for actual boxing information. Seriously, this post made my day NSB has been kind of depressing with a one track mind lately and this is a great change of pace.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Originally Posted by Joey Giardello

John av heard people say ayala never lost in the last ten years of his amateur career?

Well, he didn't make the 1980 US Olympic team so he musta' lost to someone in the trials...

[Joey Giardello]

Originally Posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY

Well, he didn't make the 1980 US Olympic team so he musta' lost to someone in the trials...

Ayala was a pro fighter at 17, i dont think he waited round for the trails

[DLT]

Ice, what happened to the Cuban boxer you were talkin about? Never escaped? How good do you think he couldve been and who would you have liked to see him fight if he had came to the US in the future? What kind of style did he have and who does who resemble

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Originally Posted by DLT

Ice, what happened to the Cuban boxer you were talkin about? Never escaped? How good do you think he couldve been and who would you have liked to see him fight if he had came to the US in the future? What kind of style did he have and who does who resemble

Angel Espinosa was a BAAAAD man, OK?????? He was a strong southpaw who could box, could punch with crazy power, he was super tough, ****y....He stopped meldrick Taylor at the Junior Worlds in 1983 at 139...decisively beat Henry Maske THREE times...beat national (USA)champions Fabian Williams, Darin Allen and Jerome James...won amateur world title in 1986 at 156...beat Sven Ottke...won the Pan-American Games in 1987 at 165...canadian trainer Russ Anber told me the two best fighters he has ever seen fight live are Roy Jones Jr and Espinosa and a Cuban coach now based in Canada says that Espinosa was the best Cuban amateur ever, better than Teo and Felix Savon...Espinosa never turned pro, never defected...I will say that the N.Y. Post ran an article the day after the 1988 USA-Cuba meet and the reporter wrote that he believed Angel Espinosa could "turn pro tomorrow and fight right away for the world 168 pound title"

[DLT]

Damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Thats a crazy resume. I dont think I heard people mention his name when they were talking about Rigendeax being the greatest Cuban amature of all time. They named some other guys but I dont think I heard his. Then again, it seems like I do remember them saying one guy and I was like "who", because I had heard of all the rest as they went pro.

Wish I could see some film on him. Sad **** that you never get to put your skills to the true test. Imagine if Roy Jones himself were Cuban, never defected, and we never saw him as a pro. **** is crazy

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Eastern U.S. Olympic Trials Finals, June 1988 @ Fayetville, North Carolina:
106- Timmy Austin, Ohio won by walkover over Nate Green, Fort Bragg
112- Melvin Lewis, Miami dec. John West, Nashville
119- Anthony Perez, New York RSC-2 Lyrant Warrior, Massachusetts
125- Kevin Kelley, New York dec. Prescott Gray, Florida
132- Sean Daughtry, New York dec. Terry Southerland, Ohio
139- Charles Murray, New York dec. Arthur Martinez, U.S. Marines
147- Gerry Payne, Washington D.C. dec Roger Turner, Michigan
156- Lonnie Davis, New York dec. Mark Buchanan, Virginia
165- John Scully, Connecticut dec. Darin Allen, Ohio
178- Phillip Jackson, Florida dec. Ernest Mateen, New York
201- Mike Bent, New York dec. David Sewell, North Carolina
201+ - Nathaniel Fitch, North Carolina dec. Everett Mayo, Virgina

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

...in what might be the most interesting -yet little known- amateur boxing result in the history of the game, a decision was rendered right here in Connecticut (in either Norwich or Thompsonville, depending on who you talk to) after a three round bout back in the late 1930's (1938?), that is the stuff of legend.

In an over the weight matchup that featured two future all-time greats (legitimate legends) of the professional game, two men who would go on to win over 400 professional fights between them in Willie Pep and Sugar Ray Robinson, the two teenagers battled each other in a three round bout that saw Robinson come away with a decision victory over his fellow future Hall Of Famer.

Note: Both Pep and Robinson referred to the match in detail in their autobiographies (Pep's "Friday's Hero's" and Robinson's "Sugar Ray")

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

The 1980 U.S. Olympic Trials saw future contender Rockin' Robin Blake beat Joe Manley in the quarterfinals at 132 before losing in the semi's to Frankie "The Surgeon" Randall.

The 1997 World Junior Olympic Championships in Mexico City, Mexico (15-16 age division) saw Ricardo Williams win a clean decision over current star Miguel Cotto of Puerto Rico. Williams did not lose a whole lot of fights as an amateur. However, one guy who he won a decision over -VERY controversially- was future (2004) USA Olympian Rock Allen of Philly at the 1997 National PAL.

Cotto, meanwhile, defeated Francisco Bojado in the finals at 132 pounds of the 1999 Cheo Aponte Tournament in Puerto Rico.